Edward C. Corrigan (edcorrigan@edcorrigan.ca) and The ALEF revisionists rewrite history, posted on ALEF on 03 August 2008:
President Harry S. Truman got a $2 million dollar offer in return for recognizing Israel.... and he accepted. On May 14,1948, Truman notified his Ambassador to the United Nations that the US had recognized Israel as a country with boundaries emcompassing approximately 78% of Palestine.
This fait accompli surprised everyone. The UN had at that very time been contemplating a division between Israel and Palestine that was closer to 50-50.
Ed Corrigan
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Tony Greenstein, British communist, posted on ALEF on 27 July 2008:
'When a country tortures 85% of those security detainees (Palestinians) it arrests, when it systematically discriminates against its minority Arab population by restricting where they can live, denying them access to the land, vetting their political parties or hounding their elected representatives, demolishing their 'unrecognised' villages etc. etc. then if that is a democracy then so was Hitler's Germany (remember he was also elected)....
'Indeed there is only one description of Israel and that is Apartheid. Whilst the land of the Palestinians is being settled and colonised on the West bank, the inhabitants of that area are denied any say in the way they are ruled. They have no vote, they live under different laws, their land is expropriated at will, they are subject to pogroms and demonstrations such as that on the recent Jerusalem Day where the Orthodox students of Mercaz Harav yeshivah entertained themselves by with such quaint slogans as 'death to the Arabs' whilst the Police looked on smilingly. Of course Day of the Land demonstrations by Palestinian Israelis are met with either rubber bullets or live ammunition....
Tony Greenstein
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Shraga Elam (shraga.elam@gmail.com) posted on ALEF on 22 July 2008:
Concerning Kuntar: if his version is correct and the child was killed by the Israeli army and not by him, it means that the Israeli army had something to hide and therefore made false claims and this might go all the way including the tissue issue. This would be not the first time for an Israeli false version.
It is very difficult to judge which version is true. One thing is for sure. Even if Kuntar is not telling the truth, he is for sure not proud of killing the child and finds it today a shameful deed.
Shraga
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Sol Salbe (ssalbe@westnet.com.au), whitewashes Kuntar in response to Victoria Buch, posted on ALEF on 22 July 2008:
Victoria,
Good point regarding the embellishment, glad to see other people are getting concerned about such comments (cf the Alef member who has still not corrected the “half those killed by IDF during the Intifada were children”.)
Being in the middle of researching the Kuntar saga the only answer is “who can tell?”
Kuntar has strongly denied the allegation, while admitting everything else. See Chen Kotes-Bar in Ma'ariv (H) http://www.nrg.coil/online/1/ART1/761/666.html translated in the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/19/lebanon.israelandthepalestinians
What we do know is that the evidence was circumstantial, there were no eye witnesses around. We know that the pathologist said that Einat Haran died from a heavy blow by a blunt instrument to the head. This does not rule being hit against a rock. The case against Kuntar also included the stated fact that there was some brain tissue on the handle of his gun. Again I do not regard that it as conclusive proof. On the other hand who can tell what a frightened 16 year old boy did while being shot at?
The only answer we have is that we don’t know but we should not take either the Israeli “vile murderer” or Kuntar protestation of innocence at face value. In assessing our view we should remember what Kotes-Bar pointed out that Einat would have still been alive had Kuntar not taken her father hostage.
Now there is enough for both cheer squads to have a go.
Sol Salbe
South Eastern Australia
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Victoria Buch (vvbb54@yahoo.com), Whitewashes Kuntar, posted on ALEF on 22 July 2008:
For the record - did Kuntar murder that kid or didn't? does anybody think s/he has reliable info?
And also, concerning that poem: The Occupation is horrible enough without "decorating" it - see eg
"In .Defensive Wall., the most moral army in the world
Indiscriminately killed every woman and child
And for that every soldier and commander was singled out for praise
And how many pregnant women whose bellies were sliced open
Are on the conscience of our army"
I never heard about slicing bellies of pregnant women. Some of it may have happened but that one does not seem typical "feature" of our most moral army, unlike, for example, beating of detainees. Defensive Shield was an act of mass bullying, and was done in the framework of long term policy towards disposession and terrorising Palestinians, but "indiscriminate murder of women and children" was not there. It happened in Ruanda, in 2-nd World War etc but not there. Some women and children died, but it is not the same thing. Things are going for the worse - as most Israelis exempted themselves from decency towards Arabs, and mass murder may still happen given the appropriate conditions, but it did not happen until now.
Other things happened such as mass imprisonment and deprivation of Gazans and much much more, but I would stick to describing things that did happen in as accurate detail as possible.
Victoria
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Sharaga Elam posted on ALEF on 20 July 2008:
פסטיבל גולדווסר/רגב , ההתכנסות המתוקשרת עד בחילה סביב מדורת השבט עליה מועלים באופן סדרתי קרבנות למולך המיליטריזם, הוא מאותו האופיום שההמונים הישראלים צורכים בשקיקה ממכרת.
יש משהו חולני ומעוות בצורה שבה משפחת גולדווסר התמסרה מרצון לקמפיין שלכאורה נועד לשחרר את יקירם. קשה להבין מדוע לא דפקו על השולחן בפומבי כבר לפני שנתיים ואמרו שלא ע"י מלחמה בלבנון אפשר היה להביא את אודי הביתה. יש משהו יותר מדוחה בתמונה המצורפת המראה את קרנית גולדווסר "נמרחת" על הרמטכ"ל גבי אשכנזי ועל כל המימסד שאחראי על מות אישה.
מקור: ישראל היום 20.7.2008
זוהי תמונה האומרת יותר מאשר נהרות מילים היו יכולים לתאר והכותרת מתחתה היא כמובן לא ממש מדוייקת, שכן יותר משאשכנזי מנחם נראה שהוא נהנה שבחורה צעירה "נשפכת" עליו. התמונה מזכירה בצורה מדהימה את אותה קצינה ש"נמרחה" על כרסו של חיים רמון ביום בו הוחלט על פתיחת המלחמה ואח"כ חטפה כידוע נשיקה "צרפתית".
"הציבור מטומטם ולכן הציבור ישלם
מה שבא בקלות באותה הקלות יעלם
האזרח הקטן נאלץ לשלם בגדול."
(שלום חנוך)
שרגא עילם
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Miriam Reik, a New York resident, posted this on ALEF on 19 July 2008:
Some good work from the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Movement--Boycotting the Israeli musicians who carry a violin in one hand and a rifle in the other (frequently performing for the IDF troops) and a positively heroic effort to bring supplies to Gaza. Miriam:
Jerusalem Quartet riflemen-violinists come to Edinburgh to make the 'ultimate Zionist statement!'
No Jerusalem Quartet here
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Victoria Buch posted on ALEF on 15 July 2008:
It is an Orwell word (sic) today - "peace negotiations" are a cover for ethnic cleansing (she does not mean of Jews in Gaza -- AW), "fight against terror" means "state sponsored terrorism" (by Israel, of course -- AW), "supporting democracy" means "promoting interests of rich greedy bastards all over the world" (meaning liberal development and freedom in the Third Waorld (sic) -- AW), etc.
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Peter Attwood (attwoods@earthlink.net), posted this on ALEF on 11 July 2008:
This goes back at least to 1994, when the Israeli state rewarded the massacre by baruch (sic) Goldstein by driving thousands of Palestinians in Hebron from their homes, just as he and his companions wanted to achieve, instead of removing them from their illegally occupied digs in response to this massacre, as any civilized state would have done. The continued violence, theft, and judicial robberies in supprt (sic) of these rabbis and their settler discsiples (sic) by the Israeli state institutions continues unabated, and indeed has intensified over the years.
Moreover, the Israeli state has passed a Nuremberg marriage law that forbids Israeli citizens to marry Palestinians from the West Bank and continue to live in Israel. You don't forbid marriage between the herrenvolk and the untermenschen exactly - you just punish it.
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Mark Marshall (jimzy@sympatico.ca), posted this on ALEF on 7 July 2008:
By the USA.s own rules, Iran has the right to invade the USA and murder 10 million of its people. It also has the right to invade Israel and murder over 200,000 Israelis. Thank God Iran is a civilized country, and as such has neither the inclination nor the ability to act according to US rules.
Mark Marshall
Toronto
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Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), the anti-Zionist British communist, posted on ALEF on 6 July 2008:
States exist, from Britain to the US, to Nazi Germany to fascist Poland & Rumania to racist Israel. The real question that is posed is not whether Israel has a 'right' to exist - States are not human beings and therefore have no rights - but the right of others to refuse to accept Israel as a racist state. In other words what is being demanded is that others accept that Israel has the right to be the world's no. 1 racist state.
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Yigal Arens (arens@isi.usc.edu), University of Southern California and son of Moshe Arens, justifies an Iranian attack on Israel, posted on ALEF on 6 July 2008
You know, with all the overt and implied threats Israel has been making against Iran, any fair-minded person would have to conclude that Iran would be fully justified if it decided to launch a preemptive attack against Israel. Instead of sitting and waiting until Israel felt it had the best opportunity to attack, the Iranians might consider it better to start the war on their own terms, with the element of surprise on their side.
Yigal
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Marlene Newesri (falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com), cheers Bulldozer Murderer, posted on ALEF on 4 July 2008
Let's face it. Israel thrives on incidents such as this, and it's just another way to show the kind of suffering its citizens must endure at the hands of Palestinian "terrorists" and why it must carry out its revengeful acts in order to protect its citizens. It's the perfect excuse for what it would probably do anyway using some kind of pretense.
The only time an incident like this won't be on the front page or not even in a newspaper is when it concerns Palestinians being killed by Israeli soldiers or settlers. A bulldozer took the life of Rachel Corrie, it wasn't exactly front page news in the USA, or even second page. Rachel, who was the victim, was depicted more like a terrorist.
I also recall a few occasions where Palestinians were killed inside their homes while Israel was in the process of bulldozing them to the ground, yet, I don't remember anyone calling the operators of those bulldozers terrorists. Yet it was done, not as an individual act, but on behalf of Israel because that was their job, just like Moshe Nissim who operated a bulldozer in Jenin in 2002 that buried some people alive. He may have even received a medal for his outstanding achievements.
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Edward C. Corrigan (edcorrigan@edcorrigan.ca) finds justification for Bulldozer Murderer, posted on ALEF on 3 July 2008
Interesting commentary from Seth Freedman on the recent Jerusalem bulldozer attack in Jerusalem. The killing of innocent civilians must be condemned no matter who the guilty party is. One point not addressed in Freedman's commentary is that the perpetrator's house in East Jerusalem had been issued a demolition order by the Israeli authorities. I would what we would do if someone was going to destroy our home? (sic) Israel has demolished thousands of Palestinians homes in Israel and the Occupied territories. Here is what the Toronto Star has to say about the incident .
Seth Freedman's article is below.
Ed Corrigan
The Toronto Star, which failed to report a single word about the assassinations of 4 Arabs (including 2 teenagers) in the West Bank during the past week of course had extensive coverage of yesterday's bulldozer rampage in Jerusalem...
From "Death by bulldozer in Jerusalem," By Oakland Ross,Toronto Star, Jul 03, 2008 04:30 AM;
"Dwayyat had been fined $50,000 for building his house without a permit, and a demolition order was on file, said Hassib Nashashibi, head of a group that defends Palestinians against such orders. That might explain Dwayyat's motivation in the attack, and the circumstances might also influence Israel's decision about whether to destroy the house as punishment....
Local residents evidently fear the threat of reprisals by Jewish gangs bent on revenge, and they also harbour worries that Israeli authorities might inflict punishment upon an entire family....
Married with two young children, Dwayyat was remembered yesterday as a quiet but sociable man with no interest in politics - which would be remarkable if it were true. Everyone in this region has an interest in politics."
full story;
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/453215
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Yedidya (lamda@netvision.net.il), responding to Tony Greenstein, posted this on ALEF on July 1, 2008:
Indeed, Judaism is a racist religion, therefore "Rligious Nationalism" (sic) is a super racist combination, but the "Datiyim Leumiyim" (sic) are a minority of about 10% or less in Israel. About 75% of israelies (sic) are secular and mainstream Zionism, which is a secular version of Judaism.
Yedidya
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Tony Greenstein, the anti-Zionist British communist, posted this on ALEF on June 30, 2008:
The analogy between Zionism and Israel's state practices and Nazism MAY be idiotic (vicious?) at times, but at times it is illuminative.
Eg when the Yesha Rabbinical Council or its members proclaim that 'Jewish blood' is more precious than its non-Jewish equivalent, who wishes to declare that this is not a Nazi style statement? Or that jewish life is more valuable than non-Jewish life, is that not a Nazi style statement?
Nazism didn't begin, it ended with the Final Solution. Up to then there were a series of legislative enactments and proclamations, mainly additions and ordinances to the Reich Law for the Protection of Blood & Security. Sad to say too many of them were indeed equivalent to what happens in Israel with its segregated Education system, its attempts to cut Arabs off from the welfare system etc. The mentality is little different.
Or the well publicised (sic) attack on Mohammed Omer
http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/06/israels-nazi-style-assault-humiliation.html
Maybe someone would like to tell me that those responsible weren't little Nazis and the doctor who supervised this vicious assault didn't come in the traditions of Nazified medical practice. The point of the Nazi holocaust is that it should serve as a warning and a beacon. Instead Israel has imbibed its lessons, unfortunately the wrong ones.
Tony Greenstein
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Avraham Oz, on discovering that his own home university page mentioned a program of studies for National Security personnel, posted on ALEF on 3 February 2008
Dear friends,
Please take a look at the English website of our university.
http://www.haifa.ac.il/index_eng.html
This is indeed appalling.
Until the "homeland security" banner is removed, it is embarrassing to refer colleagues to the university website.
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Marlene Newesri (falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com), in response to Miriam Reik, posted on ALEF on 31 May 2008
It reminds me of Hitler's religous (sic) speeches and writings. Like the one where he wrote "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
So Nazi rabbis is a perfect description. But the Israeli government doesn't see it that way. .
Marlene
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Miriam Reik, a New York resident, posted this on ALEF on 29 May 2008:
Is there anyone on this list who isn't ashamed of Israel's Nazi rabbis?--Miriam
East Jerusalem Arabs detail violence they face by city's Jews
By Haaretz Staff and Channel 10
Haaretz.com/Channel 10 daily feature for May 28, 2008.
Last month's attack by a Jewish mob on Arab youths got ample press, but shouldn't be considered an isolated incident.
In fact, Arab residents of Jerusalem, particularly taxi drivers, detail a pattern of racially-motivated violent acts by religious Jews.
The drivers from East Jerusalem call the western part of the city the "Wild West." This week, prominent rabbis circulated Halakhic rulings online, calling for the city's Jews to carry out violent acts against Arab residents.
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Uri Avnery about his willingness to receive good news from lepers posted this on ALEF on 26 May 2008
But you know what is really the worst part of it?
In case of a "peace" agreement with Syria, "Israel" would be legitimized by the Arab world and thus the white-European apartheid colony would be perpetuated with very little resistance. The Palestinians will be squashed. At best, they'd hope to accept an agreement that creates a series of bantustans in parts of the West Bank and Gaza. I shudder at the thought of the worst (transfer, which has always been Zionists' wet dream, whether "left" or "right"). And since "Israel" as a white European colony will receive legitimacy from its neighbours, the fate of its non-Jewish citizens would also be sealed. They would either be transferred to the West Bank bantustans, or at best - their second class status would be cemented.
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Yael Korin (ykorin@ucla.edu) posted this on ALEF on 26 May 2008
Sol,
I did not describe what I
think about Finkelstein, but rather what the Israeli Shin Bet does.
Just how fearful the Israelis are of those that seriously criticize
the purity of the Zionist entity and dare to pock holes in the
sanctity of the holocaust. I don't think that my post was that
complicated or sophisticated to be misconstrued... Should I say that
this is funny? Ne, not worth it...
Yael Korin (UCLA)
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Micah Leshem, Professor of Associate Psychology at the University of Haifa, posted this on ALEF on May 15, 2008:
Well it seems to me that Israel has made a number of novel contributions to warfare.
First of all collateral damage is now clearly a weapon of war. After every Israeli casualty, within hours, infallibly, a greater number of Palestinians are killed. The total count of Palestinian civilians killed and mutilated is about 4-5 times the Israeli casualties, and that disproportion is increasing – the number of Israelis killed has fallen, that of Palestinians killed is rising.
The systematic and daily assassination of political and religious leaders by Israel is also a new weapon of war.
Thirdly, Israel has expanded the semantics of the term “terrorism” and “murder” to include all enemy hostile action. Thus killing or capturing an Israeli soldier on the battlefield is an act of terrorism. The home of the family of a Palestinian combatant who plans to, attempts to, injures, captures, or kills an Israeli soldier is therefore destroyed.
We also have the new concept of “blood on their hands” which extends to religious and political leaders of the enemy on the one hand, but does not apply to Israeli soldiers taken prisoner on the other. All Israeli soldiers taken prisoner are 1) kidnapped not captured 2) cannot have blood on their hands 3) they metamorphose into “children” or “sons/boys (same word in Hebrew)” in the Israeli parlance and media.
Palestinian terrorists hide in a civilian population, and do not fight the Israeli army (although we note above that that is considered terrorism too). No mention is made of the fact that all the Israeli military camps around Gaza are in civilian residential areas, as are the headquarters of the IDF, in prime real estate in the center of Tel Aviv.
I am no military strategist, but anyone can see the crucial role this double-speak serves to permit the terrorizing of the whole Palestinian community.
It also serves to perpetuate superiority, alienation, demonization, enmity, hate, anger and vengeance as the main weapons exploding any movement toward reconciliation, peace, and cessation of the blood-letting among the Israeli public.
The Israeli security policy is simple. Israel will use any action against the Palestinians that it believes will save Israeli lives, in the long-term if not in the short term. The innocence of the Palestinian non-combatants is not an issue. Killing them, destroying their homes, livelihood farms, commerce, education, health, social, police, judicial, and administrative capacities is kosher. Israel has drawn the line, however, on mass expulsions since ‘67 (although there are various forms of creeping expulsion), and has not carried out mass killings against the Palestinians, arguably excluding the attacks on Lebanon in '82 and 2006.
Micah
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Tony Greenstein, the anti-Zionist British communist, posted this on ALEF on May 14, 2008:
[alef] New Israeli study: Not more than 5 million Jews were exterminated by the Nazis
In fact the 6 million figure has never been accepted uncritically and indeed it is impossible to know exactly how many died. Raul Hilberg estimated that 5.1 million died. Hannah Arendt I think went as low as 4 million. The reality is that noone knows how many hundreds of thousands, possibly as much as 1.5 million, Russian Jews escaped to or were taken into the Soviet heartland. Certainly whole Jewish villages were evacuated as the Nazis began Operation Barbarossa. Likewise the number of those who were hidden or otherwise survived may have been larger than is recognised.
To those for whom the Holocaust is primarily an ideological weapon to be employed against the Palestinians then of course 6 million is a symbol that cannot be abandoned. But noone seriously believes you can make an estimate within a million and claim absolute accuracy. Rudolph Vrba believed over 2.5 million died in Auschwitz and this was what Hoess, the Commandant also came up with. Hilberg estimates it as little more than 1 million.
It is though interesting that those who deny the Nakba also claim that the Palestinian refugees were not deliberately expelled but merely the unfortunate victims of war.
Tony Greenstein
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Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:16:47 +0000
Enrique Ferro (ferro.enrique@gmail.com) posted this on ALEF on May 1, 2008
THURSDAY, MAY 15th, from Midnight until 6pm (EST) - Join us for this historic international radio reflection of the Palestinian Nakba or catastrophe. Content will be hosted by the International Middle East Media Center in Bethlehem (Palestine), in collaboration with CKUT 90.3fm in Montreal (Quebec, Canada), CHRY 105.5fm in Toronto (Ontario, Canada), and KBOO 90.7fm in Portland (Oregon, USA). Including contributions from Pacifica Radio and Democracy Now!
*Tune-in and remember! *
*Thursday, May 15th, 2008, commemorates 60 years of the Palestinian Nakba. In 1948 eighty-five percent of the Palestinians living in the areas that became the state of Israel became refugees. More than 500 Palestinian villages were depopulated and later destroyed to prevent the return of the refugees. Today there are a total of 7 million Palestinian refugees, dispersed throughout the world - the largest and longest running refugee problem yet unresolved.
60-years later, Israel continues to occupy and colonize Palestinian land through the construction of Jewish only settlements and the Wall in the West Bank. The Gaza Strip has been turned into one large prison. Israel violates international law and commits ongoing war crimes and crimes against humanity. And Palestinians abroad are the world's oldest refugee population, making-up more than one fourth of all refugees.
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Ephraim Nimni, Ex-Israeli Anti-Zionist Marxist in Australia, posted on ALEF on April 28, 2008
[alef] Re: Kol Israel disgusting sectorial demagoguery and propaganda
Having just listened to the program, it surprises even those like me who expect little from the IBA. In a paradoxical way, it is making the case for those who are arguing for an urgent boycott of Israeli institutions. Such level of crude incitement and manipulation of information, provocation, reducing the advocates of post-Zionism to dangerous enemies with a dramatic tone of voice and with dramatic music in the background is a text book example of incitement by denigration. The equation of post-Zionism with anti-Semitism, Nazism and etc, in an authoritative broadcast of official broadcaster of the Israeli state is a way of de-humanizing the individuals that hold those views, a prelude to shooting them by either private individuals or by the state. It reminds the incitement the preceded the assassination of Rabin. We must not forget the inciting role of official radio broadcasts in the crimes in Ruanda.
Please, could some urgently transcribe this program into English? It is crucially important to let the world know if we wish to protect the lives of the people endangered by it.
Ephraim
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Ed Corrigan posted on ALEF on April 28, 2008, alleging that the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis:
Article of interest published in 2002 on Zionist collaboration with the Nazis. Written by Lenni Brenner, an anti-Zionist Jewish activist and author of Zionism in the Age of Dictators and 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis. For your archives.
Ed Corrigan
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
CounterPunch
December 23, 2002
51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
by LENNI BRENNER
In 1983, Croom Helm Ltd. published
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Mark Marshall (jimzy@sympatico.ca) posted on Alef on April 27, 2008:
"Vanunu is a true Israeli patriot who immeasurably strengthened the position of his country by providing proof of its nuclear deterrent. After Vanunu’s revelations proving the existence of Israel’s nuclear arsenal, no state would dare attack Israel. He deserves the Israel Prize and the Nobel Peace Prize."
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Nizar Sakhnini (nizars@rogers.com) posted on ALEF on March 31, 2008
FALLACY AND BANKRUPTCY OF THE ZIONIST PROJECT:ISRAEL IS A STATE BASED ON ETHNIC CLEANSING AND LAND THEFT
...
When the Zionists began to talk about creation of a state in Palestine, the number of Jews living in Palestine did not exceed 10,000. Accordingly, creation of a .Jewish State in Palestine required Ethnic Cleansing and Land Theft. And this is exactly what started in 1948 and is still going on to this date.
...
It is about time for the Jews living in Palestine to admit the fallacy and bankruptcy of the Zionist project and to accept to live in peace and harmony with the Palestinian Arabs as equal people with equal rights and to allow the Refugees to go back to the lands and homes that were stolen from them.
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Avraham Oz - The owner of ALEF posted this - see comment about dean:
Dear friends,
This message was posted last night to the faculty circuit of the University of Haifa by the notorious Steven Plaut, a Professor of Business Administration at the University, who has recently resorted to energetic political activism on the circuit, having reduced for some reason his regular contribution to "web address", in which he urged his readers to send hate mails to a group of Israeli dissenting university professors, providing our addresses. Do open the link below: it speaks for itself. You may be relieved to know I have immediately been summoned to the Dean. Let's see what happens.
For better days,
Your mailman
Message posted:
Please open http://isracampus.org.il/ALEF%20Watch.htm
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Marlene Newesri posted on ALEF on March 23, 2008
And Israel falsely alleges Palestinians to be terrorists and Jew haters based purely on their identity so that Israel can carry out its crimes which they've been doing for decades. Justifying crimes against humanity by demonizing societies of people was a Nazi tactic. They did the same thing with the Roma Gyspies who they determined to be genetically criminal-minded.
So while the Nazis carried out crimes according to "identity," the New Nazis are doing the same, albeit using different tactics but with the same despicable mentality.
Marlene Newesri
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Aref Nammari (arefnammari@hotmail.com) posted on ALEF on March 22, 2008
Here are two links which discuss the Zionist Nazi collaboration. I don't think that any commentary is necessary. Of course the facts are known and documented except to those who prefer to keep their heads in the sand or are so myopic that they can't even see the tip of their nose.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1455
http://www.lastsuperpower.net/docs/nzccontents
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Tony Greenstein, communist anti-Zionist, posted on ALEF on March 10, 2008, in response to the massacre of eight children in the Merkaz Harav Yeshiva in Jerusalem:
I've just come across this excellent article from Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign on how the Yeshivah that was bombed last week is probably one of the most vile institutions one could imagine. A veritable centre of neo-Nazi or Judaeo Nazi ideas.
Tony Greenstein
'Medical experiments on Arabs, Arabs to the gas chambers
'Mercaz HaRav - a training centre for illegal occupation, murder and "Arabs to the Gas Chambers"
'A Palestinian killed eight Israeli students in a settler movement training centre, in retaliation for Israel's massacre of over a hundred Gazans, mostly civilians. Hundreds of the seminary students later chanted "Death to the Arabs" at the gates of their seat of learning.1 This was somehow missed by the BBC....The Mercaz HaRav yeshiva is based on contempt for all Gentiles, not only Arabs. ... Since non-Jews are similar to another species in the Kooks’ world-view, the very notion of human rights governing the relations between Jews and others is naturally repugnant to his followers; human rights are definitely not on the syllabus at Mercaz HaRav.' '
For more details and to see the full original article, go here
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Post of article by Ali Abunimah, founder of Al Awda and Electronic Intifada ISM groups. Timely, since it discusses Obama. Posted March 4, 2008:
"Obama's phrasing suggests that Hizbullah launched thousands of rockets in an unprovoked attack, but it's a complete distortion. Throughout his speech he showed a worrying propensity to present discredited propaganda as fact. As anyone who checks the chronology of last summer's Lebanon war will easily discover, Hizbullah only launched rockets against Israeli towns after Israel had heavily bombed civilian neighborhoods in Lebanon killing hundreds of civilians, many fleeing the Israeli onslaught
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Tony Greenstein, anti-Zionist communist, posted this on ALEF, March 2, 2008
'Israel's attack on Gaza, just like its kill ratio of Palestinians for years, is indeed Nazi like. The Nazis pioneered, with their Condor Legion, attacks on civlians and of course Guernica portrays this in artistic form.'
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Uri Davis, writing in ALEF, March 1, 2008
'The bundle of Israeli strategic apartheid legislation was formulated and passed by the Parliament of the State of Israel (Knesset) in the 1950s and early 1960s. The odious Absentees' Property Law was one of the first laws legislated by the First Knesset, even before the legislation of the political-Zionist Law of Return (also of 1950).
'In other words, first the bulk of the properties (notably the lands) of the ethnically cleansed 1948 Palestine refugees were first alienated in law, and then dedicated and accessed in law for "Jews" only.'
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"Marlene" of "falasteensadiqa", writing in ALEF, Feb 28, 2008
'(Israeli behavior is) Nazi inhumane cruelty...there is no other term for it. If that offends anyone here, I can only say that it is the actions of Israel that should be found so offensive and not my words.'
Marlene
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Aref Nammari, writing in ALEF, Feb 25, 2008
'It never ceases to amaze me how selective the Zionist apologists are.... If Morris and his like justify the ethnic cleansing--his own words in an interview published a few years ago where he blames Ben Gurion for not finishing the job i.e letting Palestinians remain in the Jewish state--of Palestine to allow for the establishment of the Jewish State, then they must have accepted the Nazi drive to rid Germany of the Jews. That they did as is well documented by Lenni Brenner. That is the Zionist legacy.'
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Wayne Kraft, writing in ALEF, Feb 20, 2008
'I am a kind of afraid that Israel has defined "Jewishness" in a way that can only be understood as racial. For its part, Israel has then implemented policies against its non-Jewish citizens and against the Palestinians in the occupied territories that can only be understood as racist. I'm afraid that what we've got are two levels of apartheid
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Uri Davis, writing in ALEF, Feb 19, 2008
Classifying the State of Israel as an apartheid state will, hopefully sooner rather than later, subject the rogue Government of the State of Israel to international sanctions under UN International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (entered into force 1976).
Classifying the State of Israel as a "Hafradah" state is a whitewash directed to assist Israeli apartheid evade international sanctions.
Uri Davis (Dr)
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Shraga Elam, ex-Israeli Swiss fan of Holocaust Denier David Irving, writing in ALEF Nov 22, 2006:
'Please bring me
a single written
proof and I’ll agree with you. In order to demonstrate the
desperate situation of the intentionalists I’ll quote the
“discovery” of a German historian called Christian Gerlach, who in
1998 found an entry in Himmler’s diary from December 18, 1941. After
meeting Hitler, Himmler wrote a note saying something like “Jews are
to be treated like partisans.”
'The whole world applauded the historian for his important
“discovery” and Yehuda Bauer gave a lengthy interview about it to
the Ha’aretz Supplement. I wrote a letter to the editor which
angered Amnon Rubinstein. I wrote that this entry is no proof at
all. First of all it doesn’t say that Hitler told Himmler so and if
he did, it doesn’t talk about gassing Jews, as the partisans were
shot immediately after they were caught and not gassed. But this had
happened already before December and was found by the SS leadership
as not effective enough as a method against Jews.
'I wrote that I can understand why Zionists like Bauer are so happy
about this “discovery”, because
if Hitler ordered the “Final Solution”, it is understood that
there was no chance to save Jews and therefore the Jewish Agency
leadership was not guilty of
abandoning the European Jews and of sabotaging possible large scale
rescue chances.
'As I thought that it was possible to convince Irving to stop
denying the Holocaust I wrote in a polite way and stated that he was
a
brilliant researcher, which is a fact not noted only by myself.
I thought that it was a good opening and then afterwards decided not
to pursue the issue, …
'It is a very strange situation that even somebody like Eichmann, who was very central to the “Final Solution” (he was present at the Wannsee Confernce) didn’t see a written order from Hitler. It is widely agreed that Hitler was not a very strong dictator and had no control over many things done in Germany. What I’m saying isn’t a defense for Hitler. He was a criminal even without Auschwitz. He is directly responsible for many crimes ad not only against Jews.'
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Tony Greenstein, British anti-Zionist communist, writing in ALEF on Nov. 21, 2006:
"We can have a long debate about what Hitler did or didn’t know about the Holocaust. It is generally accepted that Hitler was a ‘broad brush’ leader who cared little for detail but laid down overall policy, playing off one faction of the NSDAP against another. … Irving himself, in his failed libel action against Deborah Lipstadt, accepted that the Hitler didn't know thesis did not hold after 1943."
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More Shraga Elam, Nov. 22, 2006:
'A German friend told me that for the older German generation the claim that Hitler didn’t know about the Auschwitz project is a very important argument. Because they can claim then that even if Hitler did not know about the industrial extermination how could have they known about it. I’m not trying to protect any one and I care for the truth, even if it doesn’t fit my prejudices. It is a fact that the “Final Solution” was a top secret issue and it is to be seen in many of the relevant documents. I see the fixation on Hitler as a wrong political analysis, which doesn’t imply any whitewash of him. It has for me religious component. I’m totally against the hysteric attitude towards Holocaust Denial (HD). Till now HD is more dangerous to the deniers themselves while the Israel and its lobby make a profit out of it and find in it a justification for expanding the Holocaust religion while more and more people are getting fed up with the over kill.'
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Tony Greenstein, British communist, responds, Nov 23, 2006:
'I am well aware of the despicable exploitation of the holocaust, and the growth of the holocaust industry, whose primary object is not to warn against the dangers of racism or fascism, but to legitimize (sic) Israel. That is a given. Likewise the focus on holocaust denial is a cynical ploy to pretend that anti-Semitism today is alive and well.'
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Shraga Elam answers Greenstein, Nov. 23, 2006:
'There is nothing morally wrong with discussing with Irving and his friends. I don’t see the basic moral difference between Irving and some members of this list who deny that Israel committed in 1948 an ethnic cleansing and that it does it today. Still many of us discuss with these ethnic cleansing deniers.'
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Elam adds on Nov. 26:
'I want also to draw your attention that last year the famous playwright and author Rolf Hochhuth called David Irving in an interview a “fabulous pioneer of contemporary history” and “much more serious than many German historians”. Hochhuth who had based one of his plays on a previous Irving’s research said later that he referred to Irving’s work before he had started to deny the Holocaust. Irving was really a very respected researcher till he started to deny the Judeocide. I find it almost amusing that the racists witch-hunters from the IsraCampus.org are claiming that I’m disseminating “Anti-Semite” material, because I claim that there is no written proof that Hitler ordered the industrial extermination of the Jews and that he didn’t get real reports on it.'
(see also this)
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Tony Greenstein, British anti-Zionist communist, writes on ALEF on March 21, 2007:
'Zionism shares many facets with Nazism - see the tribute to Ilan Papper from some illiterate jerk who exclaims that Haifa will smell nicer after he is gone. A good example of the Judaeo-Nazi mind that seeks to cast out any intellectual who goes against the national myth. You simply wouldn't get such a reaction to a radical professor in Britain but maybe that's because the mores of civilization (sic) has yet to percolate throughout most of Israeli academia. Zionism's state worship is another similarity with Naziis (sic) - e.g. the obsession with recognizing (sic) the right of the Israeli state to exist etc. Tony Greenstein'
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Dorothy Naor posted on ALEF on July 1, 2006
Aengus Snodaigh is absolutely correct to designate Israel as one of "the most abhorrent and despicable regimes on the planet," and this with respect to its own, as well as with respect to Palestinians. Ask Israelis suffering from pancreas cancer who haven't the money to purchase the medication that can extend their lives how the government treats them. Ask 40% of aged Holocaust survivors how Israel treats them. Ask the 1 of every 3 Israeli children that goes to bed hungry how Israel treats him/her. And so on and so on, while Israel continues to pour money into expansion, and ethnic cleansing (with over 9000 Palestinians incarcerated, including children as young as 12 years of age). Israel is becoming a third world country (Israel now has the highest poverty level of any western country) for the sake of globalization and expansion! The government has money but prefers to spend it on expansion and ethnic cleansing. And the Security Council refuses to censure Israel!
Sounds like the 1930s all over again, only now the victims instead of being Jews, other non-Arians, physically and mentally imperfect Arians, and the Sudetenland are impoverished Israelis (Jewish and Muslim) and the Palestinians.
Dorothy
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Shraga Elam on ALEF praising the Hamas victory, Feb 1, 2006:
'The sweeping electoral victory of Hamas is primarily a triumph for the Israeli government and a big defeat for Palestinian interests. The international pressure on the Palestinians is growing. If Hamas will not make now substantial and painful concessions it risks a massive cut in the financial international support and further escalation in the Israeli anti-Palestinian measures. If it will commit such concessions it will not only betray its voters, but the Israeli government will demand more. Now e.g. there is the demand that Hamas will recognize Israel and will declare that it gives up the armed struggle, before substantial economic aid will be rendered. If Hamas will fulfil (sic) these conditions, it will be confronted with others like the impossible demand to renounce the Right of Return for the Palestinian refugees…. Collective punishments have been imposed under the declared goal that the Palestinians will put their pressure on the militants to stop their activities. An alleged aim that the Israeli generals know perfectly well cannot be thus achieved, as the Palestinian civilians can hardly impose such a line on the militants. …From the perspective of the Israeli elite the Hamas electoral victory is a win-win-situation. ,,, It is very difficult for colonialized (sic) people to look for a peaceful and just mode of coexistence with their oppressors and vice versa it is difficult for the colonialists to give up their privileges and arrogant attitudes.'
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Victoria Buch (vvbb54@yahoo.com) posted on ALEF on Nov 1, 2006
Headlines from Occupation Magazine
Israel Commits Collective Human Rights Violations against Palestinian People in OPT (WAFA) - "Rasheed pointed out that Israel , the occupying Power, continued to kill, injure and maim innocent Palestinian civilians, including women and children, as well as continued to destroy Palestinian homes and properties."
Israel`s New Arsenal
Ethan Heitner - Tompaine - "This is neither the first time that Israel has lied about its weapons nor the first time it has used Lebanese civilians as live guinea pigs for its weapons."
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