Dorothy Naor (dor_naor@netvision.net.il) posted on ALEF on 19 December 2009
[alef] Sign stolen, Berlanty Azzam, film maker's award returned, Sheikh Jarrah, and a link to a video
However, the theft of the sign pales given Israel’s own immoral insensitive behavior towards Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah as well as towards those who care and come to demonstrate against Israel’s acts, not to mention the continuous land theft and other colonial and occupation acts, including the night raids in Bil’in and Ni’lin. Given these, Israel’s indignation and anger seem out of place....
Also on another account the indignation seems out of place. Israel is extraordinarily sensitive to Holocaust symbols, even though some of its own are similar in kind. For instance, at the entrance to Bethlehem, now a ghetto surrounded by a wall, there is hanging on that ghetto wall, next to a lookout tower that could serve as well for a sniper’s post, a sign from the top of the wall to the bottom (8 meters, i.e., 25 feet) reads: “Peace be with you” and is signed by the Israeli Ministry of Tourism.
When my spouse and I first saw it, we turned to one another and instinctively, with no prior discussion, uttered at one and the same time, ‘arbeit macht frei.’ We had not been to Auschwitz. But we had been to other camps--Teresenstadt (when researching the fate of his maternal grandparents) and on another occasion to Dachau. Both had the identical sign: “Arbeit macht frei,” a saying that can be quite reasonable if (as a German friend pointed out), you are trying to find something positive to suggest to a person who is despondent, but chilling and brutal in a slave-labor and death camp.
So also the sign at the entrance to Bethlehem—quite pleasant sentiment, and appropriate to the city where Jesus was born, but not on the wall of a ghetto. Today not even the Magi could get to the manger. Not only the wall would prevent them, but also Israeli soldiers would stop them unless they could produce permits.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tirtza Tauber (trn1@zahav.net.il) promotes the prosecution of Tzipi Livni as a “war criminal,” posted this on ALEF on 19 December 2009
[alef] Call for Action: Join Urgent Appeal to British PM to Enable Prosecution of War Criminals
Attached is a call to feminist organizations around the world, to sign a letter to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and to British Foreign Secretary David Miliband.
Please distribute widely to anyone who might be interested, and please send us your organization's details if you would like to join in signing the letter (see contact information below).
CALL FOR ACTION
December 19, 2009
Join Urgent Appeal to Maintain Universal Jurisdiction and Enable the Prosecution of War CriminalsDear Friends,
The Coalition of Women for Peace (CWP) calls feminist organizations from around the world to join us in signing a letter to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Foreign Secretary David Miliband, following their proclaimed intent to change the law that enables British local courts to issue warrants against foreign war criminals.
This decision was declared following an arrest warrant issued last week by a London magistrates court against Tzipi Livni, who was the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs during the assault on Gaza last year (Operation Cast Lead). If the British government will execute this decision, it will be a dangerous precedent that will risk future attempts to bring other war criminals to justice.
We believe that feminist organizations – which are familiar with the devastating impact of war and institutionalized violence on women and other socially disadvantaged groups – must voice their concern and act against such dangerous policies. As a feminist organization of Palestinian and Israeli Women, we believe that all Israeli officials who made operational decisions during Operation Cast Lead, including Tzipi Livni, should face charges for their involvement in war crimes.
[…]
Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions or comments.
In Solidarity,
The Coalition of Women for Peace
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Mary Rizzo (humdrum2@libero.it), Italian pro-terror fascist, claims Israel threatens the “entire world”, posted this on ALEF on 01 December 2009
[alef] Hezbollah is the Resistance plus Israel is the 4th least peaceful Nation
And WHY would Lebanon
need Hezbollah to resist? Quite simple... Israel is a warrior nation
that will not change any time soon (see post below this one)
http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/12/01/franklin-lamb-lebanonizing-hezbollah-or-the-obverse-updating-resistance-projects/
The results are in that analyse parametres that make a nation
"peaceful". Israel ranks as the 4th LEAST peaceful nation, which of
course is no surprise, when looks at the details, one can see that
they are a threat to the entire world.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Uri Davis (uridavis@actcom.co.il) supports revolution to bring about a One-State solution instead of Israel, posted on ALEF on 29 November 2009
Dear All,
Henry Lowi suggests that that we could all benefit from re-considering partition and formulating a political strategy for the de-colonization of Palestine.
I concur.
Below kindly consider one such an attempt.
Best
Uri
Uri Davis (Prof Dr)
P O Box 4364
Ramallah
Palestinian Authority
Palestine
On Sun, 29/11/09, HANNA BRAUN <hanna_braun@btinternet.com> wrote:
I couldn't agree more.
Hanna
From:
lowi@sympatico.ca
Date: 28 November 2009 19:32:28 PST
Subject: 62nd Anniversary of Partition
Sunday is the anniversary of UN GA R181, the “Partition Resolution”. Partition remains the elephant in the room. No one wants to talk about it. … They recognize the State of Israel’s “right to exist”. Like the supporters of UN GA R181, they deny the right of the people of Palestine to exercise sovereignty over Palestine. What about the dissident supporters of the so-called “one-state solution”? They don’t turn their minds to how one gets from here to there. They somehow believe that a democratic one-state solution will fall from the sky, peacefully, without revolution. That is why these same well-meaning people attribute no role to the actual social and class forces living under Israeli rule and suffering from Israeli rule in besieged Gaza and the refugee camps. By not recognizing the need for revolution, the one-staters take no interest in the people who have an interest in revolution, those who can and will make a revolution, those for whom the daily struggle contains within it the unripe seeds of that revolution.
All the soft Zionists work hard and make sacrifices for a better, more peaceful, more democratic State of Israel, but they will not admit that the Zionist regime is the number one obstacle to peace and coexistence. Re-considering Partition, formulating a political strategy for the de-colonization of Palestine -- that, for them, is beyond the Pale.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Peter Attwood (attwoods@earthlink.net) posted on ALEF on 22 November 2009
It's a remarkable fact that the desire to deny mass murder is directly correlated to the desire to commit it, as seen both in Holocaust denial and in the denial of Zionist massacres, which today are accomplished even more by malnutrition than by outright killing, as with the Americans in Iraq. Easier to control the headlines that way - starvation is silent.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British anti-Semitic communist, posted on ALEF on 21 November 2009
What I find most interesting is the similarity in technique between the Jacobs of this world and holocaust deniers. I say technique not scale before anyone leaps up and down. The latter don't deny Jews were killed, it's just the numbers that were exaggerated (among other allegations). Likewise 'only' 100 or so were murdered at Deir Yassin.
It is a historic fact that a massacre took place at Deir Yassin, Duweimah, Tantura and many, many other places. Why then does Jacob pretend otherwise? Is it because he knows that the present Israeli state rests on some very rotten foundations?
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Dorothy Naor (dor_naor@netvision.net.il) posted on ALEF on 12 November 2009
Subject: Win Some, Lose Some_Norway's Trondheim U votes not to boycott
Dear Friends,
Today Norway's Trondheim
University rejected an academic boycott of Israel.
...
With or without Trondheim, the bds movement appears to be spreading,
and criticism of Israel increasing. Therefore, we may yet see
changes for the better in Israeli policies of expansion and ethnic
cleansing.
Hopefully,
Dorothy
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Mary Rizzo (humdrum2@libero.it), Italian pro-terror fascist, cheers on Hamas, posted this on ALEF on 31 October 2009
[alef] Hamas: They're not bad, they're just drawn that way
HAMAS: They’re not bad,
they’re just drawn that way
Saturday, 31 October 2009 13:13
AUTHOR: Mary RIZZO
In many parts of the West, certain political parties or movements are treated as if they come from the Moon or are alien to any body politic. Their existence among the people is always scrutinised as negative, transitory and something created in a boardroom or a backroom, imposed upon an unsophisticated public that is unable to differentiate a true political programme from empty and simplistic rhetoric. These parties or movements are depicted as if they only address the margins of society who are disenfranchised from any “normal” democratic bodies, and thus, are ramshackle bands that represent a minority constituency. Given their oppositional nature to pre-existing parties, they are outfitted with the label that will serve to keep them isolated from the structures that are already in operation. All of this is to destroy the party or movement by propaganda work rather than analysis of reality.
An entire mythology has been built around the Palestinian resistance movement (which morphed into a party) Hamas. This construct has actually taken on more legitimacy as a factual interpretation of Hamas than the facts themselves. In most of the Western media, no matter if it is on the right or the left, and in some of the “moderate” media in Arab countries, the very name of the party is coupled with terms such as “fundamentalist”, “radical” or “terrorist”. Clearly, this serves to create a fear trigger that will remove the word from being critically and honestly evaluated. The listener will immediately identify Hamas with a negative connotation and is removed from responsibility for understanding that this is a manipulation of reality. The listener is expected to accept the claims that Hamas is “anti-democratic” and “fanatical”. It is child’s play to then convince the listener that Hamas is Bad, that it is the Enemy of all We represent (in our own eyes, tolerance, democracy, Goodness itself). It is possible to then extend that reading to the belief that action must be taken against them, that they are a “cancer that must be gotten rid of”, as quoted by the institutional peacenik, Noa. How does one eradicate a cancer, once it has been diagnosed? By extirpation or bombardment. With cancer treatment, one “bombards” even the healthy parts of the body with toxic agents, waiting to see if after the battle there were enough healthy parts remaining to allow the organism to continue to exist. Once you have set into the minds of millions of people the idea that destruction is good, because the enemy is just so damaging and evil if allowed to exist, the risk of bringing the entire organism to its grave by weakening it dramatically is taken as a viable risk to run. This is a way to make them justify actions that their own eyes don’t see as therapeutic, but are pure horror and evil.
(see web site for rest of Rizzo's rant)
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Hanna Braun (hanna_braun@btinternet.com) posted this on ALEF on 08 October 2009
Re: [alef] Was this man the first terrorist of the modern age? BBC NEWS Magazine
Although not modern, surely the first suicide 'bomber' was the biblical hero Samson, when he destroyed the Philistine amphitheatre saying "May my soul perish with the Philistines".
Hanna
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, says the Palestinian Authority is like a Judenrat for not taking up arms against the oppressor it serves (meaning Israel) posted on ALEF on 05 October 2009
[alef] The PA - A Palestinian Judenrat
The Quisling Palestinian Authority is a Palestinian Judenrat - Only PSC is reluctant to criticise Abbas
The behaviour of the Palestinian Authority is akin to that of any quisling body. It lacks all political independence and takes its orders from the oppressor state. So it is with Abbas, who has cancelled the PA motion to the UN Human Rights Commission supporting the Goldstone Report for fear of the loss of a lucrative telecommunications deal with Israel.
The nearest and most obvious comparison is with the Judenrat, the Jewish Councils which the Nazis established in Occupied Europe as a means of facilitating the extermination of European Jewry. They too took orders from the oppressor without asking questions.
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Yael Korin - UCLA (ykorin@ucla.edu) laying out the plans for the end of Israel, posted this on ALEF on 24 September 2009
[alef] Will Israel Fall in Five Years?
An End to Jewish Fascism?
The key issue need no longer be a subject of endless debate. There must be a one-state solution consistent with democratic principles of full equality. Informed Americans are no longer willing to support a theocratic state in which full citizenship is limited to those deemed 'Jewish' (whatever that means). If local birth rates suggest an eventual end to the 'Jewish state,' then so be it. Why wait two decades when this nightmare can be drawn to a close in less than five years?
Forget about a return to pre-1967 borders, instead return to pre-1948 borders. Designate Jerusalem an international city under U.N. protection and dispatch multi-national forces to maintain peace. Palestinians should have a right of return, including the ability to recover properties from which they fled under an assault by Jewish terrorists. If Colonial Zionists (aka settlers) want compensation for 'their' property, let them seek restitution from the Diaspora that encouraged their unlawful occupation.
Those who consider themselves 'Jewish' can remain as part of an inclusive democracy. Or they can depart.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Yael Korin - UCLA (ykorin@ucla.edu) posted this on ALEF on 10 September 2009
Subject: [alef] Boycott from within: Palestinians, Jews, citizens of Israel, join the Palestinian call for a BDS campaign against Israel
Palestinians, Jews, citizens of Israel, join the Palestinian call for a BDS campaign against Israel
We, Palestinians, Jews, citizens of Israel, join the Palestinian call for a BDS campaign against Israel, inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid. We also call on others to do the same.
As people devoted to the promotion of just peace and true democracy in this region, we are especially opposed to the international community's decision to boycott the Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. This is particularly outrageous given the international community's prolonged support of Israel's apartheid and other daily violations of international law.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British anti-Semitic communist, posted on ALEF on 16 August 2009
[alef] The Two-State Solution Doesn't Solve Anything
Race is an artificial political construct but it is a construct around which national definitions have often revolved. Clearly Nazi Germany defined the German volk in terms of race and nation/race were intertwined. Likewise in Zionism which uses the same Nazi definition of Jew to define the Jewish race/nation.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Wayne Kraft (waynekraft@comcast.net) posted on ALEF 16 August 2009
[alef] The Two-State Solution Doesn't Solve Anything
Wherein lies the difference between the Aryans and the Zionists? Chiefly in the circumstance that the Zionists were successful in establishing a nation? In excising the Palestinians from the human community? In marginalizing them and confining them to ghettos and concentration camps?
You see, I am having trouble distinguishing the lunacy of our Aryan Nations from that of the Zionists. Can one claim that the Zionists had a legitimate national identity or character whereas the Aryans' national identity was merely hogwash? Aren't we more true to the moral, humanitarian issues at a stake if we regard the Zionist/Israeli claim to nationhood as a pretext posed solely to rationalize a racist agenda, namely, the disinheritance and marginalizing of unJews to the material advantage of Jews.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
University of the Witwatersrand (once the bastion of Afrikaaner racism) - Ran Greenstein (Department of Sociology), Anti-Israel ex-Israeli sociologist, defames Israeli military heroes; organizes attempt at boycott in South Africa
1) ACCUSED INTERNATIONAL
WAR CRIMINAL SPEAKS ON CAMPUS
David Benjamin was the prime legal advisor to the Israeli Defense
Force (IDF) and served in the Military Advocates Corps, which
approved all of the military details regarding Israel's December
2008 attack on Gaza. He authorized the use of white phosphorus which
illegally targeted civilian population, and is directly implicated
in the deaths of 1 400 Palestinians during the attacks. ... We
cannot allow our University to maintain this impression and we
demand that a formal statement be released from the
Vice-Chancellor's Office that states in clear terms that the
University of the Witwatersrand formally dissociates itself from
David Benjamin as an accused war criminal.
For more details and to see the full original article, go here
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Wayne Kraft (waynekraft@comcast.net) posted on ALEF on 12 August 2009
[alef] The Two-State Solution Doesn't Solve Anything
The Arab leaders were
correct to deny the legitimacy of a Jewish state. The UN partition
plan was racist from A to Z and promoted the creation of a racist,
Jewish state in Palestine with all the subsequent miseries levied
against the Palestinian peoples.
...
That is the reason that the two-state solution has no legitimacy.
Let's put that one to rest.
With best regards,
Wayne
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Zalman Amit (zalmanamit@eastlink.ca), retired psych prof from Concordia University, Canada, posted on ALEF on 05 August 2009
[alef] Haaretz:- Ways to make peace
Hi Zeev,
As to your question: “ And why do we consistently evade, or simply ignore, the Initiatives made by others?” the answer is painfully obvious. For over sixty years now we have been fed this Bullshit story about Israel’s desire for peace. The reality is that Israel never wanted and still does not want peace. Our evading, ignoring and so on are simply additional indications of Israel’s determination to avoid peace at all cost.
Zalman Amit
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Zalman Amit (zalmanamit@eastlink.ca), retired psych prof from Concordia University, Canada, posted on ALEF on 01 August 2009
[alef] FW: Chutzpa Is The name Of The game
“ Please don't stop at the Green Line, though. Between us, you know that this is a fabricated delineation rather than a real border. What can we say, she is right. The Green Line is not a border that was ever sanctioned by anyone. I guess there is no choice but to return to the borders of the 1947 Partition decision. Given the failure of Oslo, Road map, Quartet and what have you, the 1947 Partition boundary is the only available legal boundary. Perhaps as that piece of honey suggested, Obama can help us re-establish this fact.”
Zalman Amit
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Ed Corrigan (edcorrigan@edcorrigan.ca), Canadian Anti-Semite, posted on ALEF on 02 August 2009
[alef] "Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis, " by LENNI BRENNER,
They hanged people all over Europe after WW II for notes to the Nazis like these. But these treasons against the Jews were virtually unknown in the run up to the creation of the Zionist state in May 1948. Ninety percent of America's Jews suddenly became emotional pro-Zionists. With Democrats, Republicans and even the Communist-organized Progressive Party competing for Jewish votes in the November Presidential election, Harry Truman's monetary aid bought arms from pro-Soviet Czechoslovakia, and an Israel was born, run by the German Zionists' cothinkers in Jerusalem.
Jews and other Americans still know little of Zionism's sordid past. But today only programed fanatics can come away pro-Zionist after reading plain facts. Indeed, according to the American Jewish Identity Survey (2001), less than 22% of all Jews declare themselves Zionist.
Opposition to Zionism also grows among liberal educated gentiles, every time their declared enemy, Pat Robertson, howls in favor of Orthodox Israel.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 28 July 2009
[alef] Criminalising Comparisons Between Nazism and Zionism
Always devout believers in freedom of speech, Britain's Zionists are now attempting to criminalise comparisons between Zionist and Nazi practices. London's Jewish Chronicle first ran the story 2 weeks ago. I guess we must call this the fall-out from Gaza....
Now the definition of a nation, which is what ‘Jewish people’ means, is normally understood to mean a common language, economy and territory. Otherwise such a ‘people’ is nothing more than a metaphysical and mystical entity, such as the Aryan race. Before the term 'race' was in vogue it was common to refer to the 'Jewish race.' Jews worldwide speak many different languages, live in and are citizens if a wide variety of countries, and share the common fate of the non-Jews they live with. Yet in order for there to be a world-wide Jewish conspiracy there must be a single world-wide Jewish people, bound together by ties that are political and racial not religious. Indeed this was precisely the criticism that the overwhelming majority of East European Jewry had of Zionism when it first arose. It was validating the very tenets of anti-Semitism.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Kristoffer Larsson (kristoffer.larsson@sobernet.nu) posted on ALEF on 20 July 2009
[alef] The head Nazi-hunter's trail of lies
Given The Simon Wiesenthal Center’s many outrageous lies, it is not surprising that Wiesenthal himself was a dishonest man.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Shraga Elam (shraga.elam@gmail.com), self-confessed admirer of Holocaust Denier David Irving, comments on the arrest in Israel of an American member of the Ku Klux Klan wanted by the FBI; posted on ALEF on 14 July 2009
[alef] Birds of a feather: Senior KKK member arrested in Tel Aviv
It is obviously no coincidence that a super racist tried to find refuge in Israel. Actually he should not stick out in this environment, as people sharing KKK ideology are sitting in the Israeli parliament and government.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Dorothy Naor (dor_naor@netvision.net.il) posted on ALEF on 30 June 2009
ISRAEL ATTACKS JUSTICE BOAT; KIDNAPS HUMAN RIGHTS WORKERS
I just spoke to Greta. The Israeli kidnappers are taking the boat and passengers to Ashdod!
Please protest not only to the numbers below, but also to the media and governments in you own countries. Israel will continue to thumb its nose at the world until the world begins to pressure Israel to stop--pressuring by non-violent means as boycotts, divestment, and sanctions. Now is the time for you to YELL "ENOUGH!"
Dorothy
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Shraga Elam (shraga.elam@gmail.com), a self-confessed admirer of holocaust denier David Irving, posted on ALEF on 22 June 2009
My position on the present issue is actually very simple and I wonder that you don.t understand it. Again and again I said in the past also on Alef that the 'realistic' TSS (two-state solution) is not about two real states, but an Israeli protectorate called 'Palestine.' Only such protectorate is acceptable to a large number of Israeli in the best case scenario.
....Only dismantling the Zionist structures and also the Palestinian nationalistic structures can offer a small, very small, chance of something that can be called just peace....
Shraga
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
For Noa Shaindlinger (mhfan25@yahoo.com) Israel does not exist any more, only "Israel" - posted on ALEF on 03 June 2009
Petition: UC Davis summer abroad in "Israel"
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/583176589
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Shraga Elam (shraga.elam@gmail.com), on record for praising Holocaust Denier David Irving as brilliant, posted on ALEF on 23 May 2009
Even if there is an international recognition of Israel that does not mean that Israel does not occupy Palestinian territories since 1948. It means only that this occupation is supported by many countries. Does this make it legal or moral?
I’m not sure that this argument support what you call settlers (you mean surely the settlers in the territories occupied since 1967). It is true that it points at a deep contradiction for many Zionists supporting peace with the Palestinians.
Sheikh Munis, Ein Hud etc. aren't less occupied than the '67 territories.
Notwithstanding how a political settlement might be, it is obvious that if it’ll will [sic] have to do anything with justice, the realization of the crimes committed during the Nakba and afterwards is an essential part.
Shraga
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Shraga Elam (shraga.elam@gmail.com), a follower of Holocaust Denier David Irving, compares Israel to pre-war Nazi Germany, posted on ALEF on 18 May 2009
[alef] כמו גרמניה לפני המלחמה
דליה גולומב:
"לקחו לתושבים פה את האדמות, אין להם עבודה, לא נותנים להם להכניס מזון מבחוץ והם בעצם סגורים. ישראל מתעלמת מהערבים כמו שהאוכלוסייה הגרמנית התעלמה מסבלות היהודים לפני מלחמת העולם השנייה."
[רוב אזרחי הישראל היהודים לא מתעלמים מהערבים אלא תומכים בדיכויים. להבדיל מאזרחי גרמניה הנאצית שחיו תחת שלטון דיקטטורי, לאזרחי ישראל ישנן אפשרות מחאה שונות. ועוד שתי הערות קטנות הצבא הישראלי לא הפך לצבא כיבוש, אלא היה כזה מתחילתו. תבורך דליה גולומב על התפכחותה בגיל מאוחר. היא מוכיחה שוב שגם בגיל מבוגר ישנן/ם א/נשים המגלים גמישות מחשבתית – ש.ע.]
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Marlene Newesri (falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com) posted on ALEF on 17 May 2009
Re: [alef] Eugenics
What I'm not particulary [sic] impressed with is the constant harping and accusations of Holocaust denial, laws against Holocaust denial, Vad Yashem, the perpetual lessons being brought to the world regarding the Holocaust and Nazi crimes, while at the same time, those who constantly keep reminding the world of this should be the last people on the face of this earth to dare mimic even in the slightest way laws, policies and/or crimes of the Nazi which embodied racism, and is what exactly exists in Israel as a Jewish supremacist state. That is what makes all this so obscene and repulsive.
Personally, I would never even draw a comparison to the Nazis if not for the fact that Israel was created because of Nazi crimes while another people became the victims of the same kind of racist mentality. How anone [sic] can excuse or deny it is beyond my understanding, but then again, why would anyone want to admit to it in the face of using the Holocaust for political and personal gains that no other people have had and who suffered equally.
Marlene Newesri
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Edward C. Corrigan (edcorrigan@edcorrigan.ca), Canadian anti-Semite, believes the real criminals in World War II were not the Germans and Japanese, but the Americans and British; posted on ALEF on 17 May 2009
Re: [alef] Eugenics
The Allies were responsible for the largest instances of "murdering" namely the fire bombing of Dresden, the fire bombing of Toyko, the nuclear attacks on Hiroshoma and Nagaski, Sure the Nazis committed many atrocities and organized the killing of more than 6 million Jews, Gypsies Communists and homosexuals. However, both sides have blood on their hands. Below is some material quoted from my article "Jewish Criticism of Zionism" on the connection between Zionism and racial theories and the sources.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Edward C. Corrigan (edcorrigan@edcorrigan.ca), Canadian anti-Semite, posted on ALEF on 16 May 2009
Germans were tried and convicted at Nuremberg for these crimes. They raised the defense that similar practices occurred in American and elsewhere but to no avail. The obsession with race, genetics and societies built on these premises were prevalent in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in Europe. Social Darwinism and Herbert Spencer. The origins of both Nazism and Zionism derive from this obsession with race and genetics. As many Jewish and other authors have pointed out both the Nazis and the Zionists wanted to get the Jews out of Germany and Europe and to Palestine. "Out with the Jews to Palestine" was a popular anti-Semitic slogan the Nazis used in the 1930's and one that the Zionists agreed with. It is one of histories little ironies that Nazis and Zionists, at least in this sense, shared the same objective.
Ed Corrigan
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 13 May 2009
[alef] Nazi-like?
And the Nazis do serve as a benchmark of sorts of the worst atrocities that can be inflicted on humanity. What is really being said here is that there should be no comparisons between Israel and the Nazis because of the sensitivities of the Zionists on this score, since they have themselves repeatedly summoned up the ghosts of Adolf to slay their enemies with. I'm sorry but I have little concern for the sensitivities of ethnic cleansers and mass murderers so I think comparisons are quite apposite, especially if they might have the effect of making some at least of the Israel people, or its Jewish component, think again. And that is also what it is about.
... But in the case of Gaza there was clearly no threat to the Israeli state, although it claimed there was. Didn't Germany claim that Poland presented a threat? They even went as far as to dress its own soldiers up in Polish army uniforms to attack their own soldiers to prove the point. Is that so different from Israel actively inviting and encouraging the 'rockets' which were eventually launched after November 4th?
Tony G
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Ephraim Nimmi teaches Marxism in Australia at the University of New South Wales (ex-Israeli) writes on the anti-Semitic ALEF list on May 12, 2009:
But to accuse Ahmadinejad of anti-Semitism is to fall into the inverted mirror image of Ahmadinejad third worldism, a deep Eurocentrism that only knows to judge the world in terms of European categories and remains blissfully ignorant of non European circumstances, logics or categories of thought. In this regard, Brian Klug appears to exhibit the Orientalist thinking so eloquently denounced by Edward Said. Apart from ignoring that the largest Jewish community in the Middle East outside Israel lives voluntarily under Ahmadinejad’s sovereignty, Klug appears to ignore that Ahmadinejad’s extreme language is addressed to Israel and not to Jews. His Holocaust conference was an act of crass ignorance, not anti-Semitism. He falls neatly into the category that Joseph Massad calls Zionist Muslims, and he is an embarrassment to those who support the Palestinian cause. These "Zionist Muslims" deny the Holocaust because they subscribe to the Zionist logic that the Holocaust is the justification for Israel, so they believe that if they deny the Holocaust they will be denying Israel. This is a statement of crass ignorant Third Worldism but not of (western) Anti-Semitism. Instead of fighting Zionism, Ahmadinejad and his mates end up justifying a Zionist claim. And Brian Klug, in spite of his early perceptive differentiations between criticisms of Israel and anti-Semitism, joins the ranks of the Orientalists and those who use accusations of anti-Semitism to deflect criticisms of Israel.
Ephraim
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, celebrates on "ALEF" the murder of Palestinians by the Palestinian Authority posted on ALEF on 06 May 2009
Re: [alef] PA court condemns man who sold land to Jews to death by hanging
Mark is of course correct. The West Bank is under direct Israeli control. If someone is executed there it is because Israel is happy to see its client Abbas do so.
However an act of
treason, which is what this is, would normally merit the death
penalty in time of war. I speak as someone opposed to the death
penalty but recognise that this is a fact of life. However at least
the man had a trial unlike those who face 'targeted assassinations'
i.e. extra judicial executions that Israel prefers.
...
The condemnation of this particular collaborator was not because
land was sold to someone who is Jewish. Jewish people have always
been welcome to live amongst Palestinians, but the buying up of land
in order that non-jews can be evicted.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
The Alef Happy Independence Day Message from Dorothy Naor (dor_naor@netvision.net.il) posted on ALEF on 29 April 2009
Re: [alef] 3 score and 1
Happy? Why don't you add
"with over 23,000 killed in Israel's wars/campaigns/attacks? How
happy is it for all the bereaved parents of young men and women
killed in their prime, and for the most part unnecessarily! Life is
more important than land and expansion. How many more years will the
killing continue? If 60 years of the use of force has not brought
Israelis security, why does anyone think that another 60 years of
the use of force will?
Dorothy
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
ALEF
members denouncing Israel as the "Only Reich in the Middle East"
Marlene Newesri (falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com)
posted on ALEF on 28 April 2009
[alef] The only Reich in the Middle East
There are no words to
describe this...even "barbarous" does not do it, and much to polite
when referring to Israel's savage inhumanity that defies
description, and all this going on as Israel engages in celebration
for its so-called "independence" day.
Marlene
There's video on this
also.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8016258.stm
Demolitions build Jerusalem tension
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
"Mary" (humdrum2@libero.it) posted this on ALEF on 19 March 2009
Re: [alef] No "Good Jews" in this fight
Mark Marshall, Do you somehow not believe that the Bersheva Dance Company is part of an Apartheid State and represents them as such? …
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Noa Shaindlinger (mhfan25@yahoo.com) posted this on ALEF on 16 March 2009
Re: [alef] Israeli peace
movement
The entire "peace" discourse is misleading. "Peace" is what the
colonizer want - no resistance, pacification of the colonized and
final subjugation. Hence pax romana and pax americana: all is
peaceful at the other end of the gun.The Zionist "peace" movements
are part and parcel of the hegemonic apartheid regime. In fact, the
existence of the "peace" and "humanitarianism" discourses allow for
occupation and suppression to exist and feed into the colonizer's
violence ("the most humane and moral army in the world",
"humanitarian ceasefire" and other gems)."Peace" should never be the
ultimate goal - it's resistance. Resistance to occupation, to
expulsions, land seizures. Resistance to racist state apparatus
everywhere, to hegemony and domination, to muzzling of dissenting
voices, to cultural appropriation, to economic marginalization and
to imperial intervention. Resistance should be the basis of
transnational (rather than international) anticolonial movements,
and not naive reiteration of John Lennon's "give peace a chance". We
just can't afford to.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Nizar Sakhnini (nizars@rogers.com) posted this on ALEF on 14 March 2009
ZIONISM: THE GAME IS OVER
Inspite of all the Zionist atrocities aimed at Ethnic Cleansing, Palestinian Arabs living within the borders of Mandate Palestine are approximately 4.5 million. Within ten to fifteen years, Arabs living in Palestine would become the majority even if the Palestinian Refugees living outside Palestine were not allowed to return to the homes and lands that were usurped from them.
Inspite of having a large army equipped with all the high-tech weaponry provided by the U.S., Israel failed to deter or stop Arab resistance.
On 27 December 2008, Israel launched "Operation Cast Lead" against the Gaza Strip and committed a massacre killing more than 1300 men, women and children and injuring more that 5500. The war was ended on 18 January 2009 without achieving Israel’s goal of ending Hamas.
The game is over. The Zionist lie of a "land without a people for a people without a land" did not fool any one. What we are witnessing these days is the end of the beginning and the beginning of the end, which will not take long: 5 - 20 years.
Nizar Sakhnini, 14 March 2009
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Yael Korin - UCLA (ykorin@ucla.edu) posted this on ALEF on 18 February 2009
The use of the holocaust to keep anti-Semitism useful to the Jewish state, was the main reason for extraditing Aichman [sic] from Argentina to Israel, to stand trial by Israeli courts. The international community objected this and claimed that he should have stood trial in an international court instead. But the Israeli prime minister claimed that the new Israelis needed to be exposed to the trial, in order to increase their awareness and fear of the holocaust.
Also, prior to the 1967 victory of the 6 days war, the American Jewry did not feel safe to make a mention of the holocaust, and it was considered inappropriate to talk about it, as the Americans and the West was building strong relationships with Germany. Only when Israel became an important and strong allay of the US, it became very fashionable to use the holocaust whenever Israel is being criticized for its acts of aggression.
Yael Korin
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Edward C. Corrigan (edcorrigan@edcorrigan.ca), associates the Holocaust with "phoney [sic] antisemitic hate crimes", posted on ALEF on 16 February 2009
The claim of phoney [sic] antisemitic hate crimes by Zionists and certain Jewish organizations have been a favorite ploy for decades. These accusations are made to gain political advantage, especially when the group is being criticized for their crimes like their most recent ones in Gaza. This is the primary reason why they do not allow anyone to criticize the truthfulness of the "shoa". They claim that Jews were turned into "soap bars", that their skins where made into "lampshades" and that their "gold fillings" were turned into gold bars by the Nazis. This is also the reason why they are presently asking for the Roman Catholic Pope to resign because last week he forgave Bishop Richard Williamson for saying that he did not believe Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps in "gas chambers."
There have been numerous exposed antisemitic hate crime hoaxes throughout history.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Isracampus hereby issues a public call to the Attorney General of Israel and to the University of Haifa to investigate whether the publication of the names and photos of senior Israeli army officers on the ALEF chat list, together with (false) allegations that these people are war criminals, constitutes incitement to murder!
The names and photos of Israeli military officers who participated in “Operation Cast Lead” are posted on the ALEF anti-Semitic chat list, operated under the auspices of the University of Haifa, so that these officers can be persecuted and harassed legally in Europe. We at Isracampus have decided not to publish the officer names as a public service. (The names and photos were originally gathered by the Uruknet web site, a site run by exiled Iraqi Baathists loyal to Saddam Hussein)
The names were posted by Dorothy Naor, a notorious anti-Semitic Israeli communist, on ALEF on Jan 25, 2009. She claims that “we and others will continue doing whatever is possible”.
If you wish to join us in this call, please contact:
|
Attorney General of
Israel Tel 02-6466521/2 |
היועץ המשפטי לממשלה
טל': 02-6466521/2 |
|
To
whom can you complain at the University of Haifa: |
|
|
President of the
University of Haifa |
Rector of the
University of Haifa
|
|
|
|
For more details and to see the full original article, go here
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 07 February 2009
Just as with the definition of a nation, there is no exact definition to genocide. Clearly if one looks at the numbers of Palestinians and other Arabs killed by Israel since its formation then it may well be 1/4 million or more. If that isn't a form of genocide then it's just playing with words. The fact that things were even worse in Gaza in 1956 than today is meaningless. In what way?
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Ran Greenstein, (rangreen@sn.apc.org) ex-Israeli sociologist in South Africa, posted on ALEF on 07 February 2009
The single worse [sic] period in the history of the country was 60 years ago, and the early period from 1947 to 1967 witnessed Israeli atrocities on a far large scale than in the post-1967 period. Gaza in 1956, for example, experienced massacres worse than anything that happened in 1967. And, the early period of occupation in 1967-68 saw more repression in the OTs than in subsequent years. It is true that with the second intifada repression has increased, but viewed in historical perspective, it is simply not true that we can talk about continuous escalation. There are ups and downs throughout the period. All the other similarities between Israeli and Nazi oppression are found in dozens if not hundreds of other cases in the modern era, predating - sometimes by centuries or millennia - and 'postdating' the Nazis, and without any relation to them.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Mark Marshall (markmarshall0691@gmail.com) calls for Assassination of US Leaders, posted on ALEF on 05 February 2009
Yeah, you gotta wonder. All the more so as, if, say, John Bolton were assassinated, nobody outside his immediate family would shed any tears, and millions of Usanians would consider the assassin a hero and a patriot. And any organization that could pull off the aerial bombardment of New York and Washington could easily whack Bolton. They could do it before breakfast, before their first cup of coffee. They could do it in their sleep.
Mark
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 04 February 2009
I don't read Hebrew so maybe, instead of making snide points, Ran could actually say what it is he agrees with and what he doesn't, given that Dina Porat is one of the most servile of holocaust historians, and who is on record as saying that a proper 'national' understanding of the holocaust cannot take place anywhere else than on the soil of Palestine. Despite of course the holocaust having of course taken place outside the Promised Land. Maybe that is one of the 'interesting and informative' points she makes? Apart from her villification of Rudolf Vrba, who with Alfred Wetzler, were the 2nd and third Jewish escapees from Auschwitz credited with having saved the 200,000 Jews of Budapest when their Auschwitz Protocols, which Yad Vashem did its best to hide and cover up, were finally publicised, though no thanks to the Zionist movement and Rudolf Kastner who sat on them. Of course Vrba wasn't a Zionist therefore he should have taken heed of the 'national' historians.
Yes I would be very interested to hear what it is that Ran finds so interesting and informative.
tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Enrique Ferro (ferro.enrique@gmail.com) posted on ALEF on 30 January 2009
NAZIFICATION OF THE ISRAELI SOCIETY? NO JOKE!?!
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 27 January 2009
[alef] Israel's Nazi Rabbis
Israel
Shahak in particular documented these creatures and how they use
traditional and obsolete Talmudic and Biblical texts to justify
Israel's genocidal attacks on Gaza and indeed to advocate that the
attacks be carried out more thoroughly and methodically whilst seeking
to allay the development of any signs of conscience.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Victoria Buch (vvbb54@yahoo.com), Hebrew University professor, posted on ALEF on 25 January 2009
'Then there are remarkable analogies (so I think) between what is going on here and the pre-mass-extermination period under German rule - outlawing of basic freedoms, robbery of property by the state, virulent propaganda towards dehumanization, rampant and self-satisfied militaristic nationalism.
Victoria'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 25 January 2009
'One reason is that it is accepted by all except a small fringe that the standards set by the Nazis were well uniquely evil. The most perfect debasement of humanity, so that is a standard by which to measure all other atrocities.
Secondly given that solidarity is not just a question of academia in ivory towers, but a political struggle and fight, the fact that Israel's propagandists employ the Nazi comparison themselves is one reason why it has been deployed in reverse....
None of the other examples given has the killers accusing their victims of having been Nazi or nazi-like. Hence why the analogy is employed less frequently. But unlesss the Nazi holocaust stands outside of history then of course it can be compared. Why ever not? And there are many comparisons between actual situations and incidents to ideological congruence. When both Zionism and Nazi ideology rejects 'assimilationism' that is a point of comparison. And the attitude to Arabs of certain sections of the Zionist movement does indeed bear comparison with that of the Nazis towards the Jews e.g. the comparison with insects/vermin.
Tony greenstein'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Enrique Ferro (ferro.enrique@gmail.com) posted on ALEF on 24 January 2009
An interesting act of indictment:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21798.htm >
Zionism is an Incurable
Disease of the Mind
By Zaid Nabulsi
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Shraga Elam (shraga.elam@gmail.com), a follower of Holocaust Denier David Irving, posted on ALEF about the Jewish cabal in control of Obama on 22 January 2009
New White House Staff!
So far we have:
Rahm Emanuel - Chief of
Staff – Jewish
David Axelrod - Senior Advisor to the President – Jewish
Ronald Klain - Chief of Staff to the Vice President of the United
States – Jewish
Larry Summers - Economic Advisor to the President – Jewish
Paul Volcker - Economic Advisor to the President, Former Head of
Federal Reserve – Jewish
Tim Geithner - Treasury Secetary – Jewish
Peter Orszag - Head of Budget - Jewish
Am I the only one noticing that Obama and Biden are not so much assembling staff as gathering a minyan?
*** Elam also posted ***
If we look at “Casted Lead” [sic] in this context the comparison with Nazi politics is absolutely justified although the measures and the circumstance are not identical. There is some common logic and that is that of ethnic cleansing and using the slightest alleged provocation to escalate the racist measures.
Already in 2002 I launched therefore a campaign calling to replace the word Jew (Jude) on a yellow Star of David (here a link to an update from 2004 - http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/selam13.htm).
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Dror Feiler, inventor of sculpture that celebrates suicide bombers, posted on ALEF on 21 January 2009
Hi
Our Boycott, Divestment
and Sanctions, BDS, are starting to work. We have succeded in
stoping Veolia of getting the contarct in Stockholm. There are
several organisations involved in this work:
JIPF - http://www.jipf.nu
PGS - http://www.palestinagrupperna.se/
Diakonia - http://www.diakonia.se
Gaza Solidaritet
and more
I have written several
large articles around this issue and it is wonderful when it works.
See this article in Sweden's largest newspapper: [sic]
http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article4133423.ab
Dror
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 19 January 2009
Why don't holocaust deniers recruit from Israeli propaganda organisations?
You have a good example of how someone can deny reality in the face and pretend that Israel's phosphorous bombs were merely a form of candlelight. Pity that this academic liar hasn't seen the photos I intend to post tonight on my blog which clearly shows the white phosphorous streams being used to attack a UN school where 2 children were killed and many more injured.
Jewish Nazis like this, and it is no surprise he comes from that hotbed of racism and chauvinism in Bar Ilan University, are no different to their non-Jewish counterparts. One denies the past the other the present. No doubt the 400 children killed in Gaza were mere 'collateral damage'.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 15 January 2009
[alef] The Nazi Mentality (was they failed again)
Enriquo asks: 'Whether Nazi or not, who cares? It is murderous'. Elsewhere he describes it as criminal. It is certainly both of these things, though one has to ask a crime according to which laws? The laws of Israel do not prohibit what is happening in Gaza, anymore than they prevented the US doing likewise in Iraq.
But I do care whether it is Nazi-like or not. If you class this kind of rally as a collection of individuals who are, as Enriquo describes them, 'madmen, psychopaths, sociopaths' then you remove what is happening from society and attribute it to the personal characteristics of the individual. Unfortunately the Zionist settler attitude to the Palestinians explains the murderousness and it is Nazi-like in character not least because of the exterminationist mentality that lies behind it.
What is happening in Gaza is not irrational. It is a consequence of Zionist colonisation. It is no accident that virtually the whole Zionist spectrum - right to left, including Meretz and what's left of Mapam - supports the attack on Gaza. If we don't understand this then it can be dismissed as a consequence of an election, a particular leader etc. etc.
And we can also be clear on another thing. That Israel and Zionism is already beginning to suffer enormous political harm as a consequence.
Tony G
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Enrique Ferro (ferro.enrique@gmail.com) posted on ALEF on 15 January 2009
Re: [alef] The Nazi Mentality
What makes me uneasy is that it is not the first time I hear that sort of discourse. I call it "The Holocaust on its Head", or something like that. I mean, using the Holocaust tragedy to justify all sort of crimes. How is that possible? I only imagine a way of invoking the Holocaust: like a light upon the nations to prevent them from repeating crimes against humanity. And yet here we have people who defend massacres on behalf of the Holocaust! Yes, they are madmen, psychopaths, sociopaths, whatever you may call them... I loath them because they have destroyed something I cherished above all things: the lessons from Nazi inhumanity to be finally humans, as the moral greatness of so many victims was crying out for us, the whole of the humanity, to march towards goodness. The horror of millions of Jews, Gypsies, Russians, methodically destroyed on behalf of racist supremacy of an evil ideology...
And now, what? Sick people who are able to imagine an essentially similar act of destruction using and abusing those victims for their racist and colonialist despicable ends! In the name of all mine has become a rallying cry for murdering defenceless and poor people, who own nothing, not even a country, who have been subjected to starving ghetto conditions, and now are being wiped out like insects!!!
Whether Nazi or not, who cares? It is murderous. And at the end of the day, if there is any justice left on earth, only a Criminal Court will be able to restore justice, to the victims from now, and to the victims in whose name these barbaric acts are being done.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 09 January 2009
From: "tony greenstein" <tonygreenstein@yahoo.com>
To: helpgaza2008
I believe that you want to obtain the location of terrorist targets to bomb.
I can provide you with many such sites if you wish in the UK, knowing that you should be able to refuel at the US Airforce's many bases here. I can suggest Deal in Kent has army barracks and the navy is based in Portsmouth?
However have you thought of nearer home? I believe the Knesset in Jerusalem has one of the highest concentrations of terrorists in the world. With luck you should be able to wipe most of them out, but do try and give fair warning to the Arab members of the Knesset first.
I also understand that there are paramilitary groups in most if not all West Bank settlements - Ariel and Hebron for example. I'm sure that peace would advance enormously if you were to take these locations out too.
If you want further help
please don't hesitate to write.
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Marlene Newesri (falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com) posted on ALEF on 07 January 2009
Re: [alef] What is the goal of the massacre in Gaza
I would say the goal of the 4th Reich would comprise a few things, but I am of the firm opinion that one of these goals is to make Jews so very hated worldwide that it would push them to leave some of their respective countries where they now reside (although I think it would not happen here in the USA). Israel has always been desperate for Jewish immigration, and would go to any lengths to achieve that plus eliminating as much of the Palestinian population as possible.
Marlene
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Peter Attwood (attwoods@earthlink.net) posted on ALEF on 06 January 2009
The Japanese militarists, the American imperial invaders of everywhere, and the Soviet invaders of places like Czechoslovakia have all thought of themselves as victims of those that they massacre and dominate. Even American white supremacists, when lynching black men or even 12-year-old boys, were defending white womanhood from the black rapists, never oppressing anybody themselves, just as Israel is just defending itself when it steals the lands of peasants and poisons the sheep of cave-dwellers. So for the Israelis and their supporters to feel like victims when they recreate the Warsaw Ghetto is no amazing thing, considered in history.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 06 January 2009
'Hamas's covenant has about as much relevance as the anti-goy sections of the Talmud since most political movements do not adhere to their original founding programs. Hence why Hamas have always welcomed Jews to Gaza who are not racists or advocates of genocide. It is by their deed you shall know them... Israel's intention to expel the Palestinians, having confiscated their lands, and in the meantime to 'put them on a diet' is clearly reminiscent of e.g. Hans Frank's death by hunger order...Since the holocaust and Auschwitz was kept, not least by the Zionists, from its intended victims, it is unlikely that most Germans had a clue about what was a closely guarded secret so the analogy is more stupid than usual.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Victoria Buch (vvbb54@yahoo.com), Hebrew University professor, posted on ALEF on 02 January 2009
Re: [alef] Warsaw, Gaza, etc.
'The horrors of Holocaust
are a useful propaganda tool for our leaders. The logic they sell
the world, and its own citizens - "look how humane and kindly we are
- those Arabs only want to throw us to the sea and we "give" them
humanitarian aid, and only try to hit the leaders, its "their own
fault" that they elected them and are hiding them among civilians.
We have to protect ourselves dont [sic] we?" They are selling
this propaganda quite successfully.
The similarities with Nazis exist - but (not yet, at least) with the
Holocaust. The present Israeli tools have been continuous low grade
murder, land grab, expulsion, starvation, destruction of all aspects
of normal life. As a Palestinian once told me - they want us to be
like dogs, crawling for a bit of food. And it is hard to believe how
virtuous do the Israeli citizens feel amongst all that.
Victoria'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Enrique Ferro (ferro.enrique@gmail.com) posted on ALEF on 30 December 2008
Re: [alef] Gaza: Worse than Warsaw
'All comparisons are risky. But if Gaza's conditions may be compared to some recent historic events, then Leningrad and the Ghetto Warsaw sieges are quite appropriate. Why? What do those situations have in common with Gaza? Well, people couldn't go out and in freely, they were subjected to imprisonment conditions. The inhabitants, or inmates, of both Leningrad and the Ghetto were denied food and fuel. And they were relentlessly attacked, bombed, and shot. Guernica has been also invoked many times as far as this particular military operation is concerned: the bombing of the Basque town was made during a market day, when there were many more people on the street than usually. The first devastating bombing on Gaza was at daytime, at the moment of schoolchildren shifts, and with everybody out on the street.... Remember: even the Nazis didn't do it on the martyred population of the Warsaw Ghetto.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Marlene Newesri (falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com) posted on ALEF on 30 December 2008
Re: [alef] Gaza: Worse than Warsaw
How dare you even mention the Holocaust! Israel, you and your ilk have made a mockery out of it and then have the brazen audacity to accuse others of Holocaust denial and blood libel while you engage in your ethnic cleansing, genocide and destruction of a people Israeli style! What makes your methods so much better hiding behind your hideous deception of self defence [sic] and moral righteousness!
Barf bucket please !
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com) posted on ALEF on 29 December 2008
Re: [alef] A good example of the Nazi mentality
'When someone glories in
mass murder, hopes there won't be half measures, 'and if there are
civilian casualties, Israel owes no apology' then truly the Nazi
mentality has infected them. That is what your Zionism has done to
you and for the past 60 years Israel has manufactured one enemy
after the other in order to justify a state of war.
Today it is Gaza with the pathetically puny 'rockets' of Hamas that
serve the purpose of Quibya and all the other villages massacred in
'reprisals'. And does the word 'reprisal' not send alarm bells
ringing or have you gone too far down the road for that?'
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 29 December 2008
[alef] A good example of the Nazi mentality
It is one of the endearing characteristics of Zionism and its ideas of a chosen people that the mass murder of non-Jewish civilians is of no account compared to the spilling of Jewish blood. And like the Warsaw Ghetto, the resistance of the Gazans, pathetic and puny though it is, is more than sufficient reason to indulge in genocide.
...And there are people here who believe that the Nazi mentality hasn't infected Zionists of the Israel 'right or wrong' variety. Maybe Gerson could tell us how many dead Palestinians are necessary before the 5 Israelis who have died in the past 3 years from the puny rockets are atoned for? And then he lectures us on racism!...Note the comparison with the Nazi bombing of Guernica, the first of its kind in modern warfare (leaving aside British bombing in Iraq!) which will no doubt bring forth a deluge of comment about want of analysis!
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Uri Davis (uridavis@actcom.co.il) posted on ALEF on 28 December 2008
[alef] Declare economic war on Israel
Stop the Government of the State of Israel!
DECLARE ECONOMIC WAR ON ISRAEL!
Uri Davis (Dr)
P O Box 99
Sakhnin 20173
Israel
Cellular: +972 54 452 3838
Fax: +972 4 674 7028/+972 8 924 8940
Tel: +972 4 674 7016
Website: www.uridavis.info
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Wayne Kraft (waynekraft@comcast.net) posted on ALEF on 28 December 2008
[alef] The Nazi mentality and the Israeli mentality
If we proceed, say, from Raphael Lemkin's understanding of 'genocide', then Israel and its Jewish people have been perpetrating a sustained, six-decade act of genocide against the Palestinians. I realize that not everyone is content to follow Lemkin. Some contend that it's not genocide until you actually start marching the people into gas chambers, but I don't know of any Holocaust scholar who does not point out that genocide begins long before the actual killing.
It is fair to point out that the United States is vastly larger than Israel and is responsible for the 'excess deaths' and outright killings of a vastly greater number of the world's people. It seems to me that wars of aggression and the concomitant crimes against humanity amount to a kind of genocide. Americans have invented and embraced the peculiar rationale that bringing death to other peoples is a loving and humanitarian act. Killing people for their own good is likely a sort of covert racism, likely as damnable as Israel's overt racism.
Perhaps we should be interested in whether Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is more like the Germans' treatment of the Jews or more like America's treatment of the Iraqis. My impression is that the Zionists and Israeli Jews have behaved far more like the Nazis than like the Americans.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Teddy Katz (te_katz@magal.org.il), fabricator of the Tantora "Massacre", posted on ALEF on 28 December 2008
Re: [alef] Another Massacre in Palestine
Dear Nizar,
Tantura is missing from
your least [sic] of the massacres just because you forgot it?
You still have chance to make a correction!
May God bless you.
Teddy Katz
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 27 December 2008
Subject: [alef] The aversion to comparisons with the Nazi era
'Ran really doesn't get it. The comparison with Nazi Germany is used precisely as a means of comparative historical analysis. It is the reflex, knee-jerk reaction of those who pretend that Zionism wasn't a settler colonial movement, that it owes nothing to the biological and eugenicist racism that gave helped give birth to both Nazism and Zionism, who don't comprehend what motivates Zionism's rulers today to launch aerial bombardment against Gaza today....A comparison with Nazi Germany, its predecessors in German including the Posen settlement, with the British colour bar and other modes of colonial settlement, have a lot to do with analysing Zionism today. It might e.g. tell us something about the slogans 'Arabs to the gas chambers' painted on walls by Hebron settlers or the Mengele Squad' that soldiers in the Givati brigade called themselves some years ago.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), British communist, posted on ALEF on 25 December 2008
[alef] Arab children rejected at Jewish nurseries - the Nazification of Israel
'This isn't a one off incident but a consequence of the systematic discrimination against Palestinians at every level of Israeli society. It is what a 'Jewish' state means in practice. Discrimination against non-Jews. The rejection of children from a nursery school is particularly loathsome. It wasn't until about 1937 that Jewish children were ejected from German schools. Another key milestone for Zionism no doubt. http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/12/arab-children-not-wanted-in-jewish.html'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
ALEF members
rationalizing the Mumbai attacks:
Peter Attwood (attwoods@earthlink.net)
posted on ALEF on 04 December 2008
"Since Chabad fully supports the settlers and all their works, opposing any effort to restrain them in any way, it is Zionist for any practical purpose. In any case the Mumbai attackers targeted all Westerners, which Israelis like to consider themselves and be viewed as by others, and the Indian elite. These are by no means nice people - after all, they killed as many innocent people as the AZmericans do in Iraq and Afghanistan in a whole day not counting insidious deaths forever by depleted uranium. But there is nothing especailly anti-semitic about ehir [sic] actions - just targeting all the usual suspects, who after all, are pretty enthusiastic about targeting others themselves."
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
ALEF members
rationalizing the Mumbai attacks:
Ran Greenstein (rangreen@sn.apc.org),
ex-Israeli sociologist in South Africa, posted on ALEF on 04
December 2008
" Other than being based in NY, Habad replicates all the exclusionary, racist and anti-Arab aspects of Israeli state ideology and practice, whether or not they call themselves Zionists."
The day earlier he posted: "Habad is one of the most aggressively racist Jewish movements ever, against Arabs and non-Jews in general, though it's true that the Mumbai attackers could not have cared less whether they were Habad or Neturei Karta or just ordinary Jewish looking dosim. But, this is no more anti-semitism than it is anti-Hinduism, anti-westernism, amti-Christianism [sic] and anti- anything that stands in their way (including ordinary Indian Muslims)."
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Posted on ALEF on 28 November 2008
http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/11/26/cartoon-of-the-day-50/
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Noa Shaindlinger posted this on ALEF on 23 November 2008
Of course the majority of Zionists would be satisfied with the two state solution as it legitimizes their conquest and depopulation of Palestine. The majority of Palestinians are forced into submission and acceptance of that "solution" by their Zionists occupiers, their US ally and the collaborative Abbas regime. But that so called solution leaves out the majority of Palestinian - those in the refugee camps, the diasporas and those living inside the Zionist state as second class citizens. The one state solution (in which Israel ceases to exist) isn't something concocted by a "bunch of confused intellectuals", but is common sense, compliance with international law and human sense of justice.
Noa
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Yael Korin (ykorin@ucla.edu), called for Israel's anniliation, posted this on ALEF on 22 November 2008
It is all correct, I don't dispute any of this. The one missing issue is that the OSS or One-State Solution (in which Israel ceases to exist) is worth struggling for, while the Two-State Solution is not. The Palestinians were united behind the OSS when the world did not even recognize their existence. They came out of the 1948 very disadvantaged and compromised, with life under martial law within 1948 Israel and hundreds of thousands of them living under awful conditions in refugee camps dispersed throughout the Middle East. Today the situation is still very bad, but more and more people around the world are becoming aware of the fact that Israel itself is an Apartheid state and that keeping it Jewish and Zionist without any attempts to dismantle this system, will not solve the conflict.... Only under the OSS will it be clear that the region can no longer afford nationalistic/racist ideologies to dictate who and where people are allowed to reside, and under what rights. People understood it in regard to the South Africa Apartheid and are beginning to understand it in regard to the Israeli colonial/Apartheid system
Yael Korin
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Marlene Newesri posted on ALEF on 18 November 2008
subject[alef] Only gangsters and mobsters have the right to retaliate
It's permissible for gangsters and thugs to retaliate against each other in Israel but for some reason, it is not permissible for oppressed people deprived of even their most basic rights that most of us take for granted to retaliate against those who have committed the gravest of crimes against them (and go on committing). Do not the Palestinians have a name also, and brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers who have been brutally killed, tortured, beaten, thrown into prisons (and more)?
Unbelievable! Then again, this is Israel where truth is stranger than fiction.
Marlene
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Enrique Ferro <ferro.enrique@gmail.com> posted on ALEF on 18 November 2008
'For the Jews, certain words have become taboo, especially when used by non-Jews. These include Holocaust, Apartheid and Nazism. Because of the atrocities that took place against Jews throughout history, namely the killing of six million during World War II, political Judaism has allowed itself a near monopoly over human suffering. What is worse, anyone who dares parallel this to the atrocities now carried out by the Jewish state of Israel against Palestinians risks being branded as "Anti-Semitic", a "Jew hater", or an "Israel basher."
'Perhaps this fear of being ostracized and branded with such ugly labels is Israel's most clever tactic because it gives it a guise under which to implement its own schemes, unhindered and largely un-judged. This must be the case in Jerusalem, where so many injustices and racist policies are being carried out on a daily basis against its Palestinian residents, with the world community hardly batting an eyelid.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, British communist, posted on ALEF on 10 November 2008:
The lessons of Kristallnacht for the modern Middle East
Sidney Jacob's denial (Letters, November 5) of the comparison that Paul Oestreicher draws (The legacy of Kristallnacht, (November 4) is a knee-jerk reaction that seeks to portray Nazi Germany's attitude to the Jews as a unique, one-off occurrence [sic]. Unfortunately there are only too many parallels that can be drawn in the period 1933-39.
When Jewish mobs shouted "death to the Arabs" in Acre a few weeks ago, that was certainly reminiscent of pogroms in Europe. When slogans such as "Arabs to the gas chambers" are daubed on the separation wall, the parallels are also clear. When Israeli military and police stand by while Arabs peasants tending their olive groves are assaulted by settlers, and when even international observers are injured, then that brings to mind a similar refusal by authorities in Germany to uphold the law and protect their Jewish inhabitants....
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, British communist, posted on ALEF on 07 November 2008:
[alef] Operating on a Healthy Palestinian
The complicity of the
Israeli Medical Association in the worst abuses of Palestinians
prisoners, including torture, are well known. It would appear that
some are now prepared to emulate other doctors in other places who
also operated on healthy prisoners.
http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/11/healthy-palestinian-prisoner-operated.html
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Peter Attwood <attwoods@earthlink.net>, who claims to be a Protestant preacher, posted this on ALEF on 09 October 2008:
Moreover, even under Hitler, the Nazis when under the same international pressure and scrutiny as Israel went no further than the Zionists do today. The Israeli state gives hearty support to those so explicitly Nazi as to write on the walls, "ARABS TO THE GAS CHAMBERS!" Do you suppose that either they or the Israeli state institutions that give them unconditional support are unconscious of whose thinking that is?
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Zeev Raphael, Technion, posted on ALEF on 15 September 2008
Re: [alef] Mad Cow Disease and the Suicide Bombers
Dear Dorothy, Ami et al,
Here is a heretic thought:
What is so specially (sic) terrible about a suicide bomber, I wonder. Is he really any worse than the common-or-garden terrorist? The old-fashioned terrorist planted his bomb on a bus or in the market, and stood a chance of getting away. Whereas the suicide bomber at least has the decency to die together with his victims...
Now please, don't deduct from this that I support Suicide Bombers. I do not! And I don't think any of us does.
Best regards,
Zeev, Haifa
(Faculty of Aereospace Engineering)
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Yael Korin, UCLA, calls in ALEF for pressure on the PLO not to abandon its demand for the "right of return.", posted on 14 Sept. 2008
URGENT ACTION: DEFEND THE RIGHT TO RETURN!
For Immediate Release
September 14, 2008
According to several recent reports of an interview with the Ha'aretz newspaper (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1020471.html ), Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas is quoted as indicating that he is willing to negotiate away the rights of millions of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and lands of origin. This outrageous statement, which has not been denied to date, comes on the heels of US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice's latest visit and attempt to squeeze a 'peace agreement' from both the PA and 'Israel'.
ACTION REQUESTED
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Inizar Sakhnini posted on ALEF on 11 Sept. 2008
Peace Talks are used as a Cover for Zionist Land Theft and Ethnic Cleansing
While Israel is going on with its Zionist program of stealing more lands and building more settlements, Mahmoud Abbas, the architect of Oslo, continues with his never ending ‘peace talks’ with the Zionists.
Had the Zionists really wanted peace, there could have been Peace long, long time ago.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Uri Davis (uridavis@actcom.co.il) posted on ALEF on 25 August 2008:
Dear All,
* Allow me, in the first instance, submit at the outset that I subscribe to the camp that is committed to an historical interpretation of religion. (I owe the insight to Akiva Orr, who has pointed out that generally speaking human societies have historically been divided into two camps: the camp that is committed to the religious interpretation of history (the fundamentalist camp, to my understanding) versus the camp that is committed to the historical interpretation of religion (the existentialist camp, to my understanding)).
* Allow me, in the second instance, suggest that, being a person who is aware of the mystery underpinning the universe, awed by the infinity of the cosmos, and amazed at its beauty and order. I came to appreciate Ludwig Wittgenstein’s concluding insight in his Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus to the effect that Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
* And allow me, in the third instance, argue strongly in favour of the principle of separation the the state (politics) from religious institutions (as well as tribal, national or any other such civil society institutions) and insist that the relationship between the individual and the universe (as well as the preferred relationship between two consenting adults, or one's culinary preferences or any other such preferences as are consistent with the values of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights) remain strictly in the private domain.
My further comments are threaded in BLOCK letters into the text below.
Best
Uri
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Edward C. Corrigan (edcorrigan@edcorrigan.ca) and The ALEF revisionists rewrite history, posted on ALEF on 03 August 2008:
President Harry S. Truman got a $2 million dollar offer in return for recognizing Israel.... and he accepted. On May 14,1948, Truman notified his Ambassador to the United Nations that the US had recognized Israel as a country with boundaries emcompassing approximately 78% of Palestine.
This fait accompli surprised everyone. The UN had at that very time been contemplating a division between Israel and Palestine that was closer to 50-50.
Ed Corrigan
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, British communist, posted on ALEF on 27 July 2008:
'When a country tortures 85% of those security detainees (Palestinians) it arrests, when it systematically discriminates against its minority Arab population by restricting where they can live, denying them access to the land, vetting their political parties or hounding their elected representatives, demolishing their 'unrecognised' villages etc. etc. then if that is a democracy then so was Hitler's Germany (remember he was also elected)....
'Indeed there is only one description of Israel and that is Apartheid. Whilst the land of the Palestinians is being settled and colonised on the West bank, the inhabitants of that area are denied any say in the way they are ruled. They have no vote, they live under different laws, their land is expropriated at will, they are subject to pogroms and demonstrations such as that on the recent Jerusalem Day where the Orthodox students of Mercaz Harav yeshivah entertained themselves by with such quaint slogans as 'death to the Arabs' whilst the Police looked on smilingly. Of course Day of the Land demonstrations by Palestinian Israelis are met with either rubber bullets or live ammunition....
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Shraga Elam (shraga.elam@gmail.com) posted on ALEF on 22 July 2008:
Concerning Kuntar: if his version is correct and the child was killed by the Israeli army and not by him, it means that the Israeli army had something to hide and therefore made false claims and this might go all the way including the tissue issue. This would be not the first time for an Israeli false version.
It is very difficult to judge which version is true. One thing is for sure. Even if Kuntar is not telling the truth, he is for sure not proud of killing the child and finds it today a shameful deed.
Shraga
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Sol Salbe (ssalbe@westnet.com.au), whitewashes Kuntar in response to Victoria Buch, posted on ALEF on 22 July 2008:
Victoria,
Good point regarding the embellishment, glad to see other people are getting concerned about such comments (cf the Alef member who has still not corrected the “half those killed by IDF during the Intifada were children”.)
Being in the middle of researching the Kuntar saga the only answer is “who can tell?”
Kuntar has strongly denied the allegation, while admitting everything else. See Chen Kotes-Bar in Ma'ariv (H) http://www.nrg.coil/online/1/ART1/761/666.html translated in the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/19/lebanon.israelandthepalestinians
What we do know is that the evidence was circumstantial, there were no eye witnesses around. We know that the pathologist said that Einat Haran died from a heavy blow by a blunt instrument to the head. This does not rule being hit against a rock. The case against Kuntar also included the stated fact that there was some brain tissue on the handle of his gun. Again I do not regard that it as conclusive proof. On the other hand who can tell what a frightened 16 year old boy did while being shot at?
The only answer we have is that we don’t know but we should not take either the Israeli “vile murderer” or Kuntar protestation of innocence at face value. In assessing our view we should remember what Kotes-Bar pointed out that Einat would have still been alive had Kuntar not taken her father hostage.
Now there is enough for both cheer squads to have a go.
Sol Salbe
South Eastern Australia
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Victoria Buch (vvbb54@yahoo.com), Whitewashes Kuntar, posted on ALEF on 22 July 2008:
For the record - did Kuntar murder that kid or didn't? does anybody think s/he has reliable info?
And also, concerning that poem: The Occupation is horrible enough without "decorating" it - see eg
"In .Defensive Wall., the most moral army in the world
Indiscriminately killed every woman and child
And for that every soldier and commander was singled out for praise
And how many pregnant women whose bellies were sliced open
Are on the conscience of our army"
I never heard about slicing bellies of pregnant women. Some of it may have happened but that one does not seem typical "feature" of our most moral army, unlike, for example, beating of detainees. Defensive Shield was an act of mass bullying, and was done in the framework of long term policy towards disposession and terrorising Palestinians, but "indiscriminate murder of women and children" was not there. It happened in Ruanda, in 2-nd World War etc but not there. Some women and children died, but it is not the same thing. Things are going for the worse - as most Israelis exempted themselves from decency towards Arabs, and mass murder may still happen given the appropriate conditions, but it did not happen until now.
Other things happened such as mass imprisonment and deprivation of Gazans and much much more, but I would stick to describing things that did happen in as accurate detail as possible.
Victoria
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Sharaga Elam posted on ALEF on 20 July 2008:
פסטיבל גולדווסר/רגב , ההתכנסות המתוקשרת עד בחילה סביב מדורת השבט עליה מועלים באופן סדרתי קרבנות למולך המיליטריזם, הוא מאותו האופיום שההמונים הישראלים צורכים בשקיקה ממכרת.
יש משהו חולני ומעוות בצורה שבה משפחת גולדווסר התמסרה מרצון לקמפיין שלכאורה נועד לשחרר את יקירם. קשה להבין מדוע לא דפקו על השולחן בפומבי כבר לפני שנתיים ואמרו שלא ע"י מלחמה בלבנון אפשר היה להביא את אודי הביתה. יש משהו יותר מדוחה בתמונה המצורפת המראה את קרנית גולדווסר "נמרחת" על הרמטכ"ל גבי אשכנזי ועל כל המימסד שאחראי על מות אישה.
מקור: ישראל היום 20.7.2008
זוהי תמונה האומרת יותר מאשר נהרות מילים היו יכולים לתאר והכותרת מתחתה היא כמובן לא ממש מדוייקת, שכן יותר משאשכנזי מנחם נראה שהוא נהנה שבחורה צעירה "נשפכת" עליו. התמונה מזכירה בצורה מדהימה את אותה קצינה ש"נמרחה" על כרסו של חיים רמון ביום בו הוחלט על פתיחת המלחמה ואח"כ חטפה כידוע נשיקה "צרפתית".
"הציבור מטומטם ולכן הציבור ישלם
מה שבא בקלות באותה הקלות יעלם
האזרח הקטן נאלץ לשלם בגדול."
(שלום חנוך)
שרגא עילם
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Miriam Reik, a New York resident, posted this on ALEF on 19 July 2008:
Some good work from the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Movement--Boycotting the Israeli musicians who carry a violin in one hand and a rifle in the other (frequently performing for the IDF troops) and a positively heroic effort to bring supplies to Gaza. Miriam:
Jerusalem Quartet riflemen-violinists come to Edinburgh to make the 'ultimate Zionist statement!'
No Jerusalem Quartet here
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Victoria Buch posted on ALEF on 15 July 2008:
It is an Orwell word (sic) today - "peace negotiations" are a cover for ethnic cleansing (she does not mean of Jews in Gaza -- AW), "fight against terror" means "state sponsored terrorism" (by Israel, of course -- AW), "supporting democracy" means "promoting interests of rich greedy bastards all over the world" (meaning liberal development and freedom in the Third Waorld (sic) -- AW), etc.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Peter Attwood (attwoods@earthlink.net), posted this on ALEF on 11 July 2008:
This goes back at least to 1994, when the Israeli state rewarded the massacre by baruch (sic) Goldstein by driving thousands of Palestinians in Hebron from their homes, just as he and his companions wanted to achieve, instead of removing them from their illegally occupied digs in response to this massacre, as any civilized state would have done. The continued violence, theft, and judicial robberies in supprt (sic) of these rabbis and their settler discsiples (sic) by the Israeli state institutions continues unabated, and indeed has intensified over the years.
Moreover, the Israeli state has passed a Nuremberg marriage law that forbids Israeli citizens to marry Palestinians from the West Bank and continue to live in Israel. You don't forbid marriage between the herrenvolk and the untermenschen exactly - you just punish it.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Mark Marshall (jimzy@sympatico.ca), posted this on ALEF on 7 July 2008:
By the USA.s own rules, Iran has the right to invade the USA and murder 10 million of its people. It also has the right to invade Israel and murder over 200,000 Israelis. Thank God Iran is a civilized country, and as such has neither the inclination nor the ability to act according to US rules.
Mark Marshall
Toronto
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein (tonygreenstein@yahoo.com), the anti-Zionist British communist, posted on ALEF on 6 July 2008:
States exist, from Britain to the US, to Nazi Germany to fascist Poland & Rumania to racist Israel. The real question that is posed is not whether Israel has a 'right' to exist - States are not human beings and therefore have no rights - but the right of others to refuse to accept Israel as a racist state. In other words what is being demanded is that others accept that Israel has the right to be the world's no. 1 racist state.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Yigal Arens (arens@isi.usc.edu), University of Southern California and son of Moshe Arens, justifies an Iranian attack on Israel, posted on ALEF on 6 July 2008
You know, with all the overt and implied threats Israel has been making against Iran, any fair-minded person would have to conclude that Iran would be fully justified if it decided to launch a preemptive attack against Israel. Instead of sitting and waiting until Israel felt it had the best opportunity to attack, the Iranians might consider it better to start the war on their own terms, with the element of surprise on their side.
Yigal
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Marlene Newesri (falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com), cheers Bulldozer Murderer, posted on ALEF on 4 July 2008
Let's face it. Israel thrives on incidents such as this, and it's just another way to show the kind of suffering its citizens must endure at the hands of Palestinian "terrorists" and why it must carry out its revengeful acts in order to protect its citizens. It's the perfect excuse for what it would probably do anyway using some kind of pretense.
The only time an incident like this won't be on the front page or not even in a newspaper is when it concerns Palestinians being killed by Israeli soldiers or settlers. A bulldozer took the life of Rachel Corrie, it wasn't exactly front page news in the USA, or even second page. Rachel, who was the victim, was depicted more like a terrorist.
I also recall a few occasions where Palestinians were killed inside their homes while Israel was in the process of bulldozing them to the ground, yet, I don't remember anyone calling the operators of those bulldozers terrorists. Yet it was done, not as an individual act, but on behalf of Israel because that was their job, just like Moshe Nissim who operated a bulldozer in Jenin in 2002 that buried some people alive. He may have even received a medal for his outstanding achievements.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Edward C. Corrigan (edcorrigan@edcorrigan.ca) finds justification for Bulldozer Murderer, posted on ALEF on 3 July 2008
Interesting commentary from Seth Freedman on the recent Jerusalem bulldozer attack in Jerusalem. The killing of innocent civilians must be condemned no matter who the guilty party is. One point not addressed in Freedman's commentary is that the perpetrator's house in East Jerusalem had been issued a demolition order by the Israeli authorities. I would what we would do if someone was going to destroy our home? (sic) Israel has demolished thousands of Palestinians homes in Israel and the Occupied territories. Here is what the Toronto Star has to say about the incident .
Seth Freedman's article is below.
Ed Corrigan
The Toronto Star, which failed to report a single word about the assassinations of 4 Arabs (including 2 teenagers) in the West Bank during the past week of course had extensive coverage of yesterday's bulldozer rampage in Jerusalem...
From "Death by bulldozer in Jerusalem," By Oakland Ross,Toronto Star, Jul 03, 2008 04:30 AM;
"Dwayyat had been fined $50,000 for building his house without a permit, and a demolition order was on file, said Hassib Nashashibi, head of a group that defends Palestinians against such orders. That might explain Dwayyat's motivation in the attack, and the circumstances might also influence Israel's decision about whether to destroy the house as punishment....
Local residents evidently fear the threat of reprisals by Jewish gangs bent on revenge, and they also harbour worries that Israeli authorities might inflict punishment upon an entire family....
Married with two young children, Dwayyat was remembered yesterday as a quiet but sociable man with no interest in politics - which would be remarkable if it were true. Everyone in this region has an interest in politics."
full story;
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/453215
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Yedidya (lamda@netvision.net.il), responding to Tony Greenstein, posted this on ALEF on July 1, 2008:
Indeed, Judaism is a racist religion, therefore "Rligious Nationalism" (sic) is a super racist combination, but the "Datiyim Leumiyim" (sic) are a minority of about 10% or less in Israel. About 75% of israelies (sic) are secular and mainstream Zionism, which is a secular version of Judaism.
Yedidya
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, the anti-Zionist British communist, posted this on ALEF on June 30, 2008:
The analogy between Zionism and Israel's state practices and Nazism MAY be idiotic (vicious?) at times, but at times it is illuminative.
Eg when the Yesha Rabbinical Council or its members proclaim that 'Jewish blood' is more precious than its non-Jewish equivalent, who wishes to declare that this is not a Nazi style statement? Or that jewish life is more valuable than non-Jewish life, is that not a Nazi style statement?
Nazism didn't begin, it ended with the Final Solution. Up to then there were a series of legislative enactments and proclamations, mainly additions and ordinances to the Reich Law for the Protection of Blood & Security. Sad to say too many of them were indeed equivalent to what happens in Israel with its segregated Education system, its attempts to cut Arabs off from the welfare system etc. The mentality is little different.
Or the well publicised (sic) attack on Mohammed Omer
http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/06/israels-nazi-style-assault-humiliation.html
Maybe someone would like to tell me that those responsible weren't little Nazis and the doctor who supervised this vicious assault didn't come in the traditions of Nazified medical practice. The point of the Nazi holocaust is that it should serve as a warning and a beacon. Instead Israel has imbibed its lessons, unfortunately the wrong ones.
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Avraham Oz, on discovering that his own home university page mentioned a program of studies for National Security personnel, posted on ALEF on 3 February 2008
Dear friends,
Please take a look at the English website of our university.
http://www.haifa.ac.il/index_eng.html
This is indeed appalling.
Until the "homeland security" banner is removed, it is embarrassing to refer colleagues to the university website.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Marlene Newesri (falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com), in response to Miriam Reik, posted on ALEF on 31 May 2008
It reminds me of Hitler's religous (sic) speeches and writings. Like the one where he wrote "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
So Nazi rabbis is a perfect description. But the Israeli government doesn't see it that way. .
Marlene
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Miriam Reik, a New York resident, posted this on ALEF on 29 May 2008:
Is there anyone on this list who isn't ashamed of Israel's Nazi rabbis?--Miriam
East Jerusalem Arabs detail violence they face by city's Jews
By Haaretz Staff and Channel 10
Haaretz.com/Channel 10 daily feature for May 28, 2008.
Last month's attack by a Jewish mob on Arab youths got ample press, but shouldn't be considered an isolated incident.
In fact, Arab residents of Jerusalem, particularly taxi drivers, detail a pattern of racially-motivated violent acts by religious Jews.
The drivers from East Jerusalem call the western part of the city the "Wild West." This week, prominent rabbis circulated Halakhic rulings online, calling for the city's Jews to carry out violent acts against Arab residents.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Uri Avnery about his willingness to receive good news from lepers posted this on ALEF on 26 May 2008
But you know what is really the worst part of it?
In case of a "peace" agreement with Syria, "Israel" would be legitimized by the Arab world and thus the white-European apartheid colony would be perpetuated with very little resistance. The Palestinians will be squashed. At best, they'd hope to accept an agreement that creates a series of bantustans in parts of the West Bank and Gaza. I shudder at the thought of the worst (transfer, which has always been Zionists' wet dream, whether "left" or "right"). And since "Israel" as a white European colony will receive legitimacy from its neighbours, the fate of its non-Jewish citizens would also be sealed. They would either be transferred to the West Bank bantustans, or at best - their second class status would be cemented.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Yael Korin (ykorin@ucla.edu) posted this on ALEF on 26 May 2008
Sol,
I did not describe what I
think about Finkelstein, but rather what the Israeli Shin Bet does.
Just how fearful the Israelis are of those that seriously criticize
the purity of the Zionist entity and dare to pock holes in the
sanctity of the holocaust. I don't think that my post was that
complicated or sophisticated to be misconstrued... Should I say that
this is funny? Ne, not worth it...
Yael Korin (UCLA)
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Micah Leshem, Professor of Associate Psychology at the University of Haifa, posted this on ALEF on May 15, 2008:
Well it seems to me that Israel has made a number of novel contributions to warfare.
First of all collateral damage is now clearly a weapon of war. After every Israeli casualty, within hours, infallibly, a greater number of Palestinians are killed. The total count of Palestinian civilians killed and mutilated is about 4-5 times the Israeli casualties, and that disproportion is increasing – the number of Israelis killed has fallen, that of Palestinians killed is rising.
The systematic and daily assassination of political and religious leaders by Israel is also a new weapon of war.
Thirdly, Israel has expanded the semantics of the term “terrorism” and “murder” to include all enemy hostile action. Thus killing or capturing an Israeli soldier on the battlefield is an act of terrorism. The home of the family of a Palestinian combatant who plans to, attempts to, injures, captures, or kills an Israeli soldier is therefore destroyed.
We also have the new concept of “blood on their hands” which extends to religious and political leaders of the enemy on the one hand, but does not apply to Israeli soldiers taken prisoner on the other. All Israeli soldiers taken prisoner are 1) kidnapped not captured 2) cannot have blood on their hands 3) they metamorphose into “children” or “sons/boys (same word in Hebrew)” in the Israeli parlance and media.
Palestinian terrorists hide in a civilian population, and do not fight the Israeli army (although we note above that that is considered terrorism too). No mention is made of the fact that all the Israeli military camps around Gaza are in civilian residential areas, as are the headquarters of the IDF, in prime real estate in the center of Tel Aviv.
I am no military strategist, but anyone can see the crucial role this double-speak serves to permit the terrorizing of the whole Palestinian community.
It also serves to perpetuate superiority, alienation, demonization, enmity, hate, anger and vengeance as the main weapons exploding any movement toward reconciliation, peace, and cessation of the blood-letting among the Israeli public.
The Israeli security policy is simple. Israel will use any action against the Palestinians that it believes will save Israeli lives, in the long-term if not in the short term. The innocence of the Palestinian non-combatants is not an issue. Killing them, destroying their homes, livelihood farms, commerce, education, health, social, police, judicial, and administrative capacities is kosher. Israel has drawn the line, however, on mass expulsions since ‘67 (although there are various forms of creeping expulsion), and has not carried out mass killings against the Palestinians, arguably excluding the attacks on Lebanon in '82 and 2006.
Micah
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, the anti-Zionist British communist, posted this on ALEF on May 14, 2008:
[alef] New Israeli study: Not more than 5 million Jews were exterminated by the Nazis
In fact the 6 million figure has never been accepted uncritically and indeed it is impossible to know exactly how many died. Raul Hilberg estimated that 5.1 million died. Hannah Arendt I think went as low as 4 million. The reality is that noone knows how many hundreds of thousands, possibly as much as 1.5 million, Russian Jews escaped to or were taken into the Soviet heartland. Certainly whole Jewish villages were evacuated as the Nazis began Operation Barbarossa. Likewise the number of those who were hidden or otherwise survived may have been larger than is recognised.
To those for whom the Holocaust is primarily an ideological weapon to be employed against the Palestinians then of course 6 million is a symbol that cannot be abandoned. But noone seriously believes you can make an estimate within a million and claim absolute accuracy. Rudolph Vrba believed over 2.5 million died in Auschwitz and this was what Hoess, the Commandant also came up with. Hilberg estimates it as little more than 1 million.
It is though interesting that those who deny the Nakba also claim that the Palestinian refugees were not deliberately expelled but merely the unfortunate victims of war.
Tony Greenstein
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:16:47 +0000
Enrique Ferro (ferro.enrique@gmail.com) posted this on ALEF on May 1, 2008
THURSDAY, MAY 15th, from Midnight until 6pm (EST) - Join us for this historic international radio reflection of the Palestinian Nakba or catastrophe. Content will be hosted by the International Middle East Media Center in Bethlehem (Palestine), in collaboration with CKUT 90.3fm in Montreal (Quebec, Canada), CHRY 105.5fm in Toronto (Ontario, Canada), and KBOO 90.7fm in Portland (Oregon, USA). Including contributions from Pacifica Radio and Democracy Now!
*Tune-in and remember! *
*Thursday, May 15th, 2008, commemorates 60 years of the Palestinian Nakba. In 1948 eighty-five percent of the Palestinians living in the areas that became the state of Israel became refugees. More than 500 Palestinian villages were depopulated and later destroyed to prevent the return of the refugees. Today there are a total of 7 million Palestinian refugees, dispersed throughout the world - the largest and longest running refugee problem yet unresolved.
60-years later, Israel continues to occupy and colonize Palestinian land through the construction of Jewish only settlements and the Wall in the West Bank. The Gaza Strip has been turned into one large prison. Israel violates international law and commits ongoing war crimes and crimes against humanity. And Palestinians abroad are the world's oldest refugee population, making-up more than one fourth of all refugees.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Ephraim Nimni, Ex-Israeli Anti-Zionist Marxist in Australia, posted on ALEF on April 28, 2008
[alef] Re: Kol Israel disgusting sectorial demagoguery and propaganda
Having just listened to the program, it surprises even those like me who expect little from the IBA. In a paradoxical way, it is making the case for those who are arguing for an urgent boycott of Israeli institutions. Such level of crude incitement and manipulation of information, provocation, reducing the advocates of post-Zionism to dangerous enemies with a dramatic tone of voice and with dramatic music in the background is a text book example of incitement by denigration. The equation of post-Zionism with anti-Semitism, Nazism and etc, in an authoritative broadcast of official broadcaster of the Israeli state is a way of de-humanizing the individuals that hold those views, a prelude to shooting them by either private individuals or by the state. It reminds the incitement the preceded the assassination of Rabin. We must not forget the inciting role of official radio broadcasts in the crimes in Ruanda.
Please, could some urgently transcribe this program into English? It is crucially important to let the world know if we wish to protect the lives of the people endangered by it.
Ephraim
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Ed Corrigan posted on ALEF on April 28, 2008, alleging that the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis:
Article of interest published in 2002 on Zionist collaboration with the Nazis. Written by Lenni Brenner, an anti-Zionist Jewish activist and author of Zionism in the Age of Dictators and 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis. For your archives.
Ed Corrigan
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
CounterPunch
December 23, 2002
51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
by LENNI BRENNER
In 1983, Croom Helm Ltd. published
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Mark Marshall (jimzy@sympatico.ca) posted on Alef on April 27, 2008:
"Vanunu is a true Israeli patriot who immeasurably strengthened the position of his country by providing proof of its nuclear deterrent. After Vanunu’s revelations proving the existence of Israel’s nuclear arsenal, no state would dare attack Israel. He deserves the Israel Prize and the Nobel Peace Prize."
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Nizar Sakhnini (nizars@rogers.com) posted on ALEF on March 31, 2008
FALLACY AND BANKRUPTCY OF THE ZIONIST PROJECT:ISRAEL IS A STATE BASED ON ETHNIC CLEANSING AND LAND THEFT
...
When the Zionists began to talk about creation of a state in Palestine, the number of Jews living in Palestine did not exceed 10,000. Accordingly, creation of a .Jewish State in Palestine required Ethnic Cleansing and Land Theft. And this is exactly what started in 1948 and is still going on to this date.
...
It is about time for the Jews living in Palestine to admit the fallacy and bankruptcy of the Zionist project and to accept to live in peace and harmony with the Palestinian Arabs as equal people with equal rights and to allow the Refugees to go back to the lands and homes that were stolen from them.
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Avraham Oz - The owner of ALEF posted this - see comment about dean:
Dear friends,
This message was posted last night to the faculty circuit of the University of Haifa by the notorious Steven Plaut, a Professor of Business Administration at the University, who has recently resorted to energetic political activism on the circuit, having reduced for some reason his regular contribution to "web address", in which he urged his readers to send hate mails to a group of Israeli dissenting university professors, providing our addresses. Do open the link below: it speaks for itself. You may be relieved to know I have immediately been summoned to the Dean. Let's see what happens.
For better days,
Your mailman
Message posted:
Please open http://isracampus.org.il/ALEF%20Watch.htm
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Marlene Newesri posted on ALEF on March 23, 2008
And Israel falsely alleges Palestinians to be terrorists and Jew haters based purely on their identity so that Israel can carry out its crimes which they've been doing for decades. Justifying crimes against humanity by demonizing societies of people was a Nazi tactic. They did the same thing with the Roma Gyspies who they determined to be genetically criminal-minded.
So while the Nazis carried out crimes according to "identity," the New Nazis are doing the same, albeit using different tactics but with the same despicable mentality.
Marlene Newesri
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Aref Nammari (arefnammari@hotmail.com) posted on ALEF on March 22, 2008
Here are two links which discuss the Zionist Nazi collaboration. I don't think that any commentary is necessary. Of course the facts are known and documented except to those who prefer to keep their heads in the sand or are so myopic that they can't even see the tip of their nose.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1455
http://www.lastsuperpower.net/docs/nzccontents
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, communist anti-Zionist, posted on ALEF on March 10, 2008, in response to the massacre of eight children in the Merkaz Harav Yeshiva in Jerusalem:
I've just come across this excellent article from Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign on how the Yeshivah that was bombed last week is probably one of the most vile institutions one could imagine. A veritable centre of neo-Nazi or Judaeo Nazi ideas.
Tony Greenstein
'Medical experiments on Arabs, Arabs to the gas chambers
'Mercaz HaRav - a training centre for illegal occupation, murder and "Arabs to the Gas Chambers"
'A Palestinian killed eight Israeli students in a settler movement training centre, in retaliation for Israel's massacre of over a hundred Gazans, mostly civilians. Hundreds of the seminary students later chanted "Death to the Arabs" at the gates of their seat of learning.1 This was somehow missed by the BBC....The Mercaz HaRav yeshiva is based on contempt for all Gentiles, not only Arabs. ... Since non-Jews are similar to another species in the Kooks’ world-view, the very notion of human rights governing the relations between Jews and others is naturally repugnant to his followers; human rights are definitely not on the syllabus at Mercaz HaRav.' '
For more details and to see the full original article, go here
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Post of article by Ali Abunimah, founder of Al Awda and Electronic Intifada ISM groups. Timely, since it discusses Obama. Posted March 4, 2008:
"Obama's phrasing suggests that Hizbullah launched thousands of rockets in an unprovoked attack, but it's a complete distortion. Throughout his speech he showed a worrying propensity to present discredited propaganda as fact. As anyone who checks the chronology of last summer's Lebanon war will easily discover, Hizbullah only launched rockets against Israeli towns after Israel had heavily bombed civilian neighborhoods in Lebanon killing hundreds of civilians, many fleeing the Israeli onslaught
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, anti-Zionist communist, posted this on ALEF, March 2, 2008
'Israel's attack on Gaza, just like its kill ratio of Palestinians for years, is indeed Nazi like. The Nazis pioneered, with their Condor Legion, attacks on civlians and of course Guernica portrays this in artistic form.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Uri Davis, writing in ALEF, March 1, 2008
'The bundle of Israeli strategic apartheid legislation was formulated and passed by the Parliament of the State of Israel (Knesset) in the 1950s and early 1960s. The odious Absentees' Property Law was one of the first laws legislated by the First Knesset, even before the legislation of the political-Zionist Law of Return (also of 1950).
'In other words, first the bulk of the properties (notably the lands) of the ethnically cleansed 1948 Palestine refugees were first alienated in law, and then dedicated and accessed in law for "Jews" only.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
"Marlene" of "falasteensadiqa", writing in ALEF, Feb 28, 2008
'(Israeli behavior is) Nazi inhumane cruelty...there is no other term for it. If that offends anyone here, I can only say that it is the actions of Israel that should be found so offensive and not my words.'
Marlene
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Aref Nammari, writing in ALEF, Feb 25, 2008
'It never ceases to amaze me how selective the Zionist apologists are.... If Morris and his like justify the ethnic cleansing--his own words in an interview published a few years ago where he blames Ben Gurion for not finishing the job i.e letting Palestinians remain in the Jewish state--of Palestine to allow for the establishment of the Jewish State, then they must have accepted the Nazi drive to rid Germany of the Jews. That they did as is well documented by Lenni Brenner. That is the Zionist legacy.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Wayne Kraft, writing in ALEF, Feb 20, 2008
'I am a kind of afraid that Israel has defined "Jewishness" in a way that can only be understood as racial. For its part, Israel has then implemented policies against its non-Jewish citizens and against the Palestinians in the occupied territories that can only be understood as racist. I'm afraid that what we've got are two levels of apartheid
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Uri Davis, writing in ALEF, Feb 19, 2008
Classifying the State of Israel as an apartheid state will, hopefully sooner rather than later, subject the rogue Government of the State of Israel to international sanctions under UN International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (entered into force 1976).
Classifying the State of Israel as a "Hafradah" state is a whitewash directed to assist Israeli apartheid evade international sanctions.
Uri Davis (Dr)
P O Box 99
Sakhnin 20173
Israel
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Shraga Elam, ex-Israeli Swiss fan of Holocaust Denier David Irving, writing in ALEF Nov 22, 2006:
'Please bring me
a single written
proof and I’ll agree with you. In order to demonstrate the
desperate situation of the intentionalists I’ll quote the
“discovery” of a German historian called Christian Gerlach, who in
1998 found an entry in Himmler’s diary from December 18, 1941. After
meeting Hitler, Himmler wrote a note saying something like “Jews are
to be treated like partisans.”
'The whole world applauded the historian for his important
“discovery” and Yehuda Bauer gave a lengthy interview about it to
the Ha’aretz Supplement. I wrote a letter to the editor which
angered Amnon Rubinstein. I wrote that this entry is no proof at
all. First of all it doesn’t say that Hitler told Himmler so and if
he did, it doesn’t talk about gassing Jews, as the partisans were
shot immediately after they were caught and not gassed. But this had
happened already before December and was found by the SS leadership
as not effective enough as a method against Jews.
'I wrote that I can understand why Zionists like Bauer are so happy
about this “discovery”, because
if Hitler ordered the “Final Solution”, it is understood that
there was no chance to save Jews and therefore the Jewish Agency
leadership was not guilty of
abandoning the European Jews and of sabotaging possible large scale
rescue chances.
'As I thought that it was possible to convince Irving to stop
denying the Holocaust I wrote in a polite way and stated that he was
a
brilliant researcher, which is a fact not noted only by myself.
I thought that it was a good opening and then afterwards decided not
to pursue the issue, …
'It is a very strange situation that even somebody like Eichmann, who was very central to the “Final Solution” (he was present at the Wannsee Confernce) didn’t see a written order from Hitler. It is widely agreed that Hitler was not a very strong dictator and had no control over many things done in Germany. What I’m saying isn’t a defense for Hitler. He was a criminal even without Auschwitz. He is directly responsible for many crimes ad not only against Jews.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, British anti-Zionist communist, writing in ALEF on Nov. 21, 2006:
"We can have a long debate about what Hitler did or didn’t know about the Holocaust. It is generally accepted that Hitler was a ‘broad brush’ leader who cared little for detail but laid down overall policy, playing off one faction of the NSDAP against another. … Irving himself, in his failed libel action against Deborah Lipstadt, accepted that the Hitler didn't know thesis did not hold after 1943."
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
More Shraga Elam, Nov. 22, 2006:
'A German friend told me that for the older German generation the claim that Hitler didn’t know about the Auschwitz project is a very important argument. Because they can claim then that even if Hitler did not know about the industrial extermination how could have they known about it. I’m not trying to protect any one and I care for the truth, even if it doesn’t fit my prejudices. It is a fact that the “Final Solution” was a top secret issue and it is to be seen in many of the relevant documents. I see the fixation on Hitler as a wrong political analysis, which doesn’t imply any whitewash of him. It has for me religious component. I’m totally against the hysteric attitude towards Holocaust Denial (HD). Till now HD is more dangerous to the deniers themselves while the Israel and its lobby make a profit out of it and find in it a justification for expanding the Holocaust religion while more and more people are getting fed up with the over kill.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, British communist, responds, Nov 23, 2006:
'I am well aware of the despicable exploitation of the holocaust, and the growth of the holocaust industry, whose primary object is not to warn against the dangers of racism or fascism, but to legitimize (sic) Israel. That is a given. Likewise the focus on holocaust denial is a cynical ploy to pretend that anti-Semitism today is alive and well.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Shraga Elam answers Greenstein, Nov. 23, 2006:
'There is nothing morally wrong with discussing with Irving and his friends. I don’t see the basic moral difference between Irving and some members of this list who deny that Israel committed in 1948 an ethnic cleansing and that it does it today. Still many of us discuss with these ethnic cleansing deniers.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Elam adds on Nov. 26:
'I want also to draw your attention that last year the famous playwright and author Rolf Hochhuth called David Irving in an interview a “fabulous pioneer of contemporary history” and “much more serious than many German historians”. Hochhuth who had based one of his plays on a previous Irving’s research said later that he referred to Irving’s work before he had started to deny the Holocaust. Irving was really a very respected researcher till he started to deny the Judeocide. I find it almost amusing that the racists witch-hunters from the IsraCampus.org.il are claiming that I’m disseminating “Anti-Semite” material, because I claim that there is no written proof that Hitler ordered the industrial extermination of the Jews and that he didn’t get real reports on it.'
(see also this)
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Tony Greenstein, British anti-Zionist communist, writes on ALEF on March 21, 2007:
'Zionism shares many facets with Nazism - see the tribute to Ilan Papper from some illiterate jerk who exclaims that Haifa will smell nicer after he is gone. A good example of the Judaeo-Nazi mind that seeks to cast out any intellectual who goes against the national myth. You simply wouldn't get such a reaction to a radical professor in Britain but maybe that's because the mores of civilization (sic) has yet to percolate throughout most of Israeli academia. Zionism's state worship is another similarity with Naziis (sic) - e.g. the obsession with recognizing (sic) the right of the Israeli state to exist etc. Tony Greenstein'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Dorothy Naor posted on ALEF on July 1, 2006
Aengus Snodaigh is absolutely correct to designate Israel as one of "the most abhorrent and despicable regimes on the planet," and this with respect to its own, as well as with respect to Palestinians. Ask Israelis suffering from pancreas cancer who haven't the money to purchase the medication that can extend their lives how the government treats them. Ask 40% of aged Holocaust survivors how Israel treats them. Ask the 1 of every 3 Israeli children that goes to bed hungry how Israel treats him/her. And so on and so on, while Israel continues to pour money into expansion, and ethnic cleansing (with over 9000 Palestinians incarcerated, including children as young as 12 years of age). Israel is becoming a third world country (Israel now has the highest poverty level of any western country) for the sake of globalization and expansion! The government has money but prefers to spend it on expansion and ethnic cleansing. And the Security Council refuses to censure Israel!
Sounds like the 1930s all over again, only now the victims instead of being Jews, other non-Arians, physically and mentally imperfect Arians, and the Sudetenland are impoverished Israelis (Jewish and Muslim) and the Palestinians.
Dorothy
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Shraga Elam on ALEF praising the Hamas victory, Feb 1, 2006:
'The sweeping electoral victory of Hamas is primarily a triumph for the Israeli government and a big defeat for Palestinian interests. The international pressure on the Palestinians is growing. If Hamas will not make now substantial and painful concessions it risks a massive cut in the financial international support and further escalation in the Israeli anti-Palestinian measures. If it will commit such concessions it will not only betray its voters, but the Israeli government will demand more. Now e.g. there is the demand that Hamas will recognize Israel and will declare that it gives up the armed struggle, before substantial economic aid will be rendered. If Hamas will fulfil (sic) these conditions, it will be confronted with others like the impossible demand to renounce the Right of Return for the Palestinian refugees…. Collective punishments have been imposed under the declared goal that the Palestinians will put their pressure on the militants to stop their activities. An alleged aim that the Israeli generals know perfectly well cannot be thus achieved, as the Palestinian civilians can hardly impose such a line on the militants. …From the perspective of the Israeli elite the Hamas electoral victory is a win-win-situation. ,,, It is very difficult for colonialized (sic) people to look for a peaceful and just mode of coexistence with their oppressors and vice versa it is difficult for the colonialists to give up their privileges and arrogant attitudes.'
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa
Victoria Buch (vvbb54@yahoo.com) posted on ALEF on Nov 1, 2006
Headlines from Occupation Magazine
Israel Commits Collective Human Rights Violations against Palestinian People in OPT (WAFA) - "Rasheed pointed out that Israel , the occupying Power, continued to kill, injure and maim innocent Palestinian civilians, including women and children, as well as continued to destroy Palestinian homes and properties."
Israel`s New Arsenal
Ethan Heitner - Tompaine - "This is neither the first time that Israel has lied about its weapons nor the first time it has used Lebanese civilians as live guinea pigs for its weapons."
This Hatred is Disseminated via the University of Haifa